GW gas prices

WellyLuga

I'll start this by saying I really like the game mode. It's new, fun and different but the gas economy has basically ruined it for me. We get 20 gas for free, 10 from the distance and 20 which we can buy from the shop which are one time buys for the entire season.

During a single battle, at 2-3 minutes a mission it's not unusual to burn through 20-25 gas per battle if you want to actually play through the entirety. Considering we can play 6 battles through the weekend I found myself holding back a little so I might actually be able to play past the first day... The prices for gas fills are utterly ridiculous. I get that it's new and you guys at NG want to hook the whales in but...





As a consumer, do I pay £1.99 to play the challenge, distance, scavenge and outpost to my hearts content for 24 hours or do I pay £2.99 to play 5 GW missions in 10 minutes? Or how about 4 days worth of unlimited play vs 20 GW gas which might last me 1 hours worth of play? You've obviously put a lot of time into this game mode, don't ruin it

crambert_nec

100% agree. NG, these prices are stupid ridiculous and out of whack with everything else in the game. I'm not spending that kind of money for 10 minutes of game play like @WellyLuga said. If you sold a weekend booster or something similar for maybe a few bucks more than a normal gas booster, I'd buy it every war. This new mode is so much fun and something completely different. I really enjoy it. But this kind of ruins it for me too.

WellyLuga

Agreed, you might actually make a steady stream of income if you sold guild war boosters for the same price as a gas booster. Also, players might actually be able to experience the new game mode you're pushing.

scooners

Howdy, this is my first post ever - been lurking and learning. I agree with the previous comments whole heartedly. Not enough return for my money in this mode. Would rather just purchase the 24 hour booster for gas and experience. I will pay but only when I can earn "red" gas.
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ATLAS-Z

I think I said it from the very beginning.

Guild Wars = Gold Wars

Pay to win.

Shame too because it was a lot of fun. Hoping those whales enjoy it every weekend as much as I did this once.

I'm so bitter/sweet lately, this game has me in a love hate relationship lol

Stalker20

A gw gas booster at a sensible price is definitely the way forward for a lot of players. There should also be copious amounts of free gas too as many players will not be able to spend.

TJS

Thanks NG!

bladgier

Yeah I agree. Gas required to play takes the fun out of it. Too many battles to maintain.
Many of the players can't play the whole battle and there's 6... Talking about top guild here.

Firekid

Yep whole heartily agree. What you'll lose from gas sales you'll make up for in gold from people healing I'm sure. You've already limited the amount people can play, 6 times at 50 mins every two weeks and that's if you can get enough people online at one time to actually play all 3. why do you feel the need to limit it even more by this ridiculous gas cost. Unless you are planning on giving massive amounts in the challenge before the next war it's really put me off this game mode.

Stalker20

It's got to the point where I can't play gw any more this week, 10 gas will not get me far in a battle so I'll leave it. I used 27 gas on the last battle so for 6 over the weekend I think over 150 gas will be necessary. To buy that will cost iro £70

The_Jer

I feel the same. Only joined one battle yesterday due to lack of gas. I will not pay real money for a finite number of gas/missions. Like the mode, but likely will not play much unless the gas situation improves

Teherror

I totally agree been playing since the beginning.. I've seen a lot of changes ..
Some good Some not so much..GWs is fun and exciting for old players like me but on top of Gas prices being more then i put in my RL car in a week ..I don't think i can afford to keep playing GWs..I went through 34 gas in 1 war and ended up buying more ..I can't and won't do so again..GWs is going to be a whoever has the deepest pockets kinda game .. On top of that trying to arrange a time with min 7 ppl to be online..
Is damn near impossible.. Thanks guys ..

goldenboy

I do 3x war games for free... 9 ⛽️ are still left... but I will spend no money for it at all...

We don’t have so much playing teammates to do more...

avelardez

They must not want us to complete the entire map in one setting for some reason. Ran out of gas and could not finish the entire map.

Artminius

I agree with those above speaking about the number of existing limiters aside from gas:
Synchronicity of members
Members even bothering to play
Injury (gold)
Diversity (not everyone has deep A Teams)
Coordination (only chat to manage tasks, overlapping wasted effort on Enemies)

That said... I've found those to be opportunities:
Guilds adjust to organize around play times = more sociability
More strategy required in character and gear development = you discover new synergies.
Using a game plan to maximize the VP results from members (low levels gets their VPS in Forest, gas-rich producers find Enemies and low-gas heavy hitters mop up Enemies). A guild has to work with its level gaps and actually collaborate to maximize what they brought to the battle.

So I think the war gas is a big part of the strategy.
Would I like to see all of the content? Actually have a chance at a full clear? SURE! Would I appreciate it six months from now if it was easy or just required time? Probably not. Especially if that meant all the above cooperation was reduced to merely finding a guild online when you are.

That said: my one-weekend impression is that I have to change game play focus, guild, or spending to ever see all of the war.

That is a hard trifecta of choices of what to spend or lose, to feel that I've completed the entire experience in which I've invested time and treasure for years. I'll never be #1 on a leader board, fine. But never seeing a full sheet on GW? bummer

Artminius

Maybe if War Gas was a Guild resource instead of personal?
Use it or lose it! War Rations!

That idea would require some logic to allow contributors to use 'their' gas as long as they are participating, but then allow GW producers to siphon gas from (for example) folks who didn't use any of their day 1 keys.

It would get REAL war, REAL fast, in some guilds! Sure.
But mixed-interest guilds might find it to be a good compromise between "supporting the war effort" versus "being thrown into the thresher for 30 VPs, least you be branded Vichy swine".

Cronus

My guild is all PL 70 from top to bottom with a number having 9* survivors. We're fairly competitive and I can tell you our biggest barrier was running out of gas. I can also tell you nobody was shouting in chat to hurry up and purchase more gas. It was you're out, you're out. The rewards are nowhere near the $s it takes to get them. If this sunken cost remains I see this whole thing fizzling out. The attitude will be sure it's kinda fun but I'm always running out of gas AND I'm not spending that kind of money to keep going. Hell I can fill up a Prius with what it takes to get more GW gas. The economy just isn't there. Also if your entire guild isn't spending on gas it will never take hold. I have yet to hear of a guild who is planning on breaking the bank for this. I'm sure they are it there, but bet not as many as you need NG.

psychwolf

Yeah what @Cronus said. It takes the fun out of a game mode that had potential.

Artminius

@Cronus , your data is remarkable.
I'll assume that you and yours could wipe every map up.
Did you read my question above about how little that I would enjoy another Distance (ultimately)? More of interest to me, do you think my assessment of the use of gas to drive strategy is salient?
You describe your guild as one needing no strategy or coordination (beyond gas efficiency). You crush so fast that balancing troop quality or timing seems irrelevant. So gas.... Just stops you from... What?
Another (boring) Hard Distance?
Another (bought) Leader Board?

Maybe this game mode isn't designed for end gamers?
Maybe it's the last gasp of Buy Leader Board?
I dunno: I'm only 68, still grinding scavenge, still debating where my XP goes.

No one on my 6 teams spent cash either. We barely knew what was up, but holy crap, we opined and ranted. Maybe this 'forced' (elective) game mode is changing us as we bicker and moan?
(we won all battles nevertheless.)

Eric1965

Was super hard to get enough guild members from all over the world to be on at the same time , but everyone loved playing when we finally did. Not enough gas to play another round and no one is paying that much for just a few minutes of play time .

Cronus

@Artminius believe me my post is in no way any reference to anything you might have written. In fact I didn't even bother to read it. Not sure what triggered you. The Distance does not have a set time, GW does (50 minutes). Of course we have strategies and coordination (not even sure how you inferred that, but hey why stick to the words that are written when you can extrapolate as you see fit), it's hard to even take you remotely seriously when you make such inane comments. This is what it stops some from doing: continuing to play for the full 50 minutes. There it is. And the investment in capital that it takes to continue is too great for the available rewards. It's really quite simple. So yes, this becomes another "bought leaderboard" as you describe it, does it not?

Artminius

Yes, it does. For your people.
It has nuances that people unaccustomed to institutionalized success might appreciate. I even consider it a brilliant first effort at using currency to drive strategy. I also see cracks and flaws, ... But I'm trying to figure out the best for all with my suggestions (that you will not deign to entertain).
Enjoy your disappointment.

Artminius

I also apologize for daring to mention you, whom I respect, in a post in which I was so audacious to think I might be able to help you.
I will kneel and drag myself away from Your Presence.

Cronus

> @Artminius said:
> I also apologize for daring to mention you, whom I respect, in a post in which I was so audacious to think I might be able to help you.
> I will kneel and drag myself away from Your Presence.

Go reread the very first two sentences on your first reply to me. Those types of statements usually aren't followed up by how your going to help me. Maybe your approach needs a little softening.

ATLAS-Z

> @Artminius said: @Cronus , your data is remarkable.
I'll assume that you and yours could wipe every map up.

Not my conversation, @Cronus, but these are compliments bro

ATLAS-Z

Btw, I enjoy the Distance still, and Guild wars, but the pay to win has gone from bad, to OMFG Bad. Ah well....

valereee

When I play challenges, I'm pretty willing to buy a US$2 gas booster once per challenge, then use the heck out of it for that 24 hours. Would be even happier to do it if I could turn the clock off once for 8 hours so I didn't feel like I was wasting gas while I slept. I would consider buying a US$2 GW gas booster once per GW weekend, but there is no way on earth I'd buy 20 GW gas -- an amount I could literally go through in a single fifty-minute battle -- for US$10. I was actually shocked at the price tag. I understand the need to make a profit, but seriously this is just greedy. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

DrUnpleasant

Of course this is pay to win. This kind of thing has been PTW since guild based mobile games came into existence. If you choose to compete at the top end, then that's up to you. If it wasn't PTW then it wouldn't justify the development cost.

However, I do think there is a balance to be struck that isn't quite there with GW yet. In days gone by when I was a top player on some other big mobile games, I could still get into the top 100 or so players with minimal spend on in-game resources, and the right commitment and skill. Clearly this isn't the case with GW, where you definitely need to spend a fair bit to be in the top tier. There needs to be other ways to get more GW gas.

WellyLuga

@DrUnpleasant Yeah, I don't really need to be #1 in the world. There will always be a PTW element to the game and I'm fine with that, even in the challenge you can't compete with people who spend thousands of gold per challenge on healing. But at least I can pay £2 for a booster on the first day, get to the tough missions and play through the rest as healing times permit and get close.

With guild wars there's no middle ground. You either pay nothing and play with what little resources they give for free, or you open your wallet and get ripped off.

NerfZone187

I bought 20 gas but i won't do it again.

Shame too because it was fun. I could burn 180-200 cans with 6 keys each war easily but i won't.

Jenng

I’m an idea woman. You’re welcome.