Tips on organizing a successful GW weekend!

zbot

Creating a thread to provide constructive tips for others that are having issues in organizing GW.

Issue: My guild is international, we have players from all over the world, we can't find a time that works for us.

Possible solution: External chat, it doesn't matter what you use, facebook, LINE, Groupme, Slack, Discord, etc, you need a way to rally your troops.

Issue: Our guild is casual, I don't want to download a separate chat app or use a separate chat.

Possible solution: In the beginning, you don't need everyone on chat, just the ones that are interested in GW. Take baby steps, once you have a core group of GW enthusiast, it's easier to convince others to use/join a separate chat.

Issue: External chats are a hassle, it's not us.

Possible solution: Give it a try, if you don't like it or it doesn't work then fine but try it before you knock it.

Issue: Ok, we are on chat but it hasn't solved the issue of GW participation.

Possible solution: Identify what the issue is. Not enough participants? If it's not enough participants, do you have alts or members that are not pulling their weight? It's a tough decision but it's a decision that needs to be made by the leader and elders.

Issue: Our lower lever members are having issues playing GW as it gets too difficult.

Possible solution: Have the lower level members have access to the first sector it's lower level and relatively easier. Have your higher level members wait 5-10 minutes before joining in to give others a chance.

Issue: We are always losing GW battles.

Possible solution. If you are losing GW battles, it maybe easier to consolidate and have fewer battles with everyone at max gas. Also use the external chat to ask others for help. Your guild member may not wanted to sign up initially but if there's already a battle going on they maybe more willing to jump in.

There's much more but I would appreciate if we can keep it constructive and helpful. GW is a fun format and I want everyone to enjoy it.

If you are having an issue, please describe your situation in detail and we (forum) can help.

vshield50

GREAT thread @zbot ! When I get home tonight I will post on here. Love the proactive and solution based approach 😉

vshield50

For those who use LINE chat we created a poll to see what everyone's availability was. I know the times are not correct because when I looked at it the game clock was off by 30 minutes but this could be an option for those with LINE. We also posted a time converter on our chat.

Hope this can help someone...

xbamfx

Loving this post! 💯

I_Am_Psycho

@xbamfx
Definitely not loving your rude snide disrespectful trolly sarcasm.

@zbot has put some time to write that post, and you jump on ifor your own agenda and it is thinly veiled.

People can set up external chat, but it will take time to gain traction, due to people being reluctant to change, and being resistant to adopting it's use.

You come across as a hardcore player in a guild of other hardcore players. That immediately takes a lot of effort out of coordinating.

I actually like the thread. Because it will give people ideas. But the player base is bigger than you might realise. And they are not hardcore players. That makes iit will take longer to get a working system.

As said in the OP. A few will gradually use external chat more and more. One of our best, probably never will though.

I send yout a PM to re-read this now as you posted something before I finished editing this,

xbamfx

@I_Am_Psycho are you referring to me? If so I meant exactly what I said.

I_Am_Psycho

So did I. In my post and my PM

Carly

There are also various free scheduling apps available. You can put in your times in advance and see how many available at that hour. Scheduling apps may help/work best if all participants are able to use the app.

Jenng

@zbot

Finally! You’ve been holding out your genius. This is exactly the kind of thread we need. Hope is not lost. With all the opinions floating around you are the freshness I absolutely needed to read. Thank you for your precisely put emphasis on solutions. I will be naming a survivor in your honor.



Guess I should use the threat of throatpunching as a last resort because I too enjoy playing GW’s and want everyone to enjoy it as much.

xbamfx

Once again I’ll say with sincerity since it wasn’t taken that way initially 🙄. Awesome post OP, well thought out and helpful! Thank you.

avelardez

How about playing in other guild that want to play? Is that a tip? If ones does do they lose points status, etc. due to the time zone issues can this be a solution. I asked because that’s what I working on but seems to be a lot of thoughts on it.

I_Am_Psycho

@avelardez
I think your plan will have success for a short time but will no doubt get nerfed. It threatens the fundamental concepts of guilds.

It was going to happen anyway, and guilds getting their scores in an honest way might well be annoyed they are smashed on the leaderboards if it is successful.

I repeat my earlier concern, of a player returning to their home guild saying they have no keys, and that being the reason their guild misses out on battles.

To answer your question though, they would keep VP earned playing in your guild, but their home guild woukd not. They would also keep their reward points, but they would have to spend them in a guild shop with tiers unlocked to get higher rewards. So it's unlikely they'd be able to spend them in their home guild. But while they hop, they'd be able to use your shop.

I've no problem, discussing this. I think it deserves a LOT of discussion

avelardez

> @I_Am_Psycho said:
> @avelardez
> I think your plan will have success for a short time but will no doubt get nerfed. It threatens the fundamental concepts of guilds.
>
> It was going to happen anyway, and guilds getting their scores in an honest way might well be annoyed they are smashed on the leaderboards if it is successful.
>
> I repeat my earlier concern, of a player returning to their home guild saying they have no keys, and that being the reason their guild misses out on battles.
>
> To answer your question though, they would keep VP earned playing in your guild, but their home guild woukd not. They would also keep their reward points, but they would have to spend them in a guild shop with tiers unlocked to get higher rewards. So it's unlikely they'd be able to spend them in their home guild. But while they hop, they'd be able to use your shop.
>
> I've no problem, discussing this. I think it deserves a LOT of discussion

If the problems is a lack of keys when the guild is clearly unable to accommodate a player to participate in the guild war arena then that is a guild issues with the lack of commitment from its players. The issue of cordination with players globally will always happen with small guilds due to lack organizational skills to pull off such a battle. My guild has committed players willing to make time and not when it’s convenient for them due to being a casual player or what not.

Everything will be nerfed. Me being able to stun my way to level 40+, distroy the Distance in one move with my super scouts, and making ranged fighters kinda obsolete now are all candidates for nerfage. You seem to suggest dishonesty in your words. I have mastered this game by far. I post to expose the how it can be done. All my tactics are proper and nothing here is dishonest. It kinda reminds me of one individual who had the LLS issues all bent out of shape because they could not figure out radio call gets low level and just use that fighter mainly a scout for the distance to get a free instant healing when you make a wrong move, which last months to correct even after many post on it. I found many more repeats that no one knew and I showed it and let everyone take benifit since the only thing you needed was gas to keep playing. Finally, when it was nerfed people still found ways to excel. After I read countless post here and in FB and the feed back is not bringing a proper decision then this will lead to a major nerf which will drop the GW out of play and make it like the distance which is just a side mission to replace chapter mission content.

You should stop by play a battle and go back and say hey if you need to use a key on Sunday last few hours and there are only 6 of you left that want to play then I know a play you can go and get your reward points at least. Life happens to people why should 6 other have to get impacted too.

I_Am_Psycho

@avelardez
I have a draft post saved if you want to debate it without hijacking. I don't want to bump your publicity thread.

But ... your "solution" is a valid GW tip until it gets nerfed

avelardez

> @I_Am_Psycho said:
> @avelardez
> I have a draft post saved if you want to debate it without hijacking. I don't want to bump your publicity thread.
>
> But ... your "solution" is a valid GW tip until it gets nerfed


Thanks. Just using the parameters they gave us. Thank you for your input. Until then have safe a battle and hope it all works out.

zbot

@I_Am_Psycho it’s a long process getting your guild to adopt/adapt to change. Our guild has done FB, Line, Groupme, Discord and Slack. Each one has its pros and cons. After trial and error, our guild decided on Slack. This was back in April 2016.

Again this was a decision made by the guild in discussions between the leader and the elders and finally to the rest of the guild. One of the main reasons for external chat is to recover when stuff happens. A rogue leader or elder could kick everyone out, someone could lose their game and have no way to contact us, etc.

An added benefit is that once it's setup, now going forward, you can add a rule that new members must sign up for external chat, that can be done by asking for an email address or providing an email address so they can request access. The initial setup takes some time but requires little or no maintenance (depending on the external chat used).

Even with external chat it still requires dedication from your guild members. It's just a tool.

Our guild is relatively quiet but it does get busy during GW time but I know of guilds where 100-200 messages a day are common.

Let me know if you need help with setting anything up @I_Am_Psycho .

I_Am_Psycho

@zbot
We have Discord Server for about 2 years now, and it's more about allowing time for more people to realign and hopefully utilise it. I mean, nobody can rely on a chat where history scrolls in anew hour or so (during GW).

It's a work in progress. GW means we have to be more persuasive now.

I_Am_Psycho

zbot said:

Issue: Our lower lever members are having issues playing GW as it gets too difficult.

Possible solution: Have the lower level members have access to the first sector it's lower level and relatively easier. Have your higher level members wait 5-10 minutes before joining in to give others a chance.

@zbot - I did see this when I first read it, but there was other things going on

I could evidence that is a strategy I employed, but the video is crappy, but if people find it ...

Come to think of it, I think there's a quick glimpse of me intentionally dropping msgs to external chat in that video, as is the tip below.

ISSUE:
Multiple players are doing the same missions. Particularly after swapping survivirs/gear.

POSSIBLE SOLUTION:
Exit the mission without starting it. See if a blue dot is there. In fact if there is a blue dot in mission adjacent, go elsewhere. I found this issue more common after finding enemies. I took it further in these cases. Play another mission with my PvP team, and then kill the enemy if it is still vacant.

avelardez

May help.

https://youtu.be/sBkCZ9p8hzI

zbot

@avelardez LOL that was the strategy we came up with during testing. Everything down to numbers, Left, Center, Right is what I call it (not sure if anyone played that game but it came naturally). This is strategy for after the guild can reliably sign up for GW. This can be covered in GW Strategy 101. If you are able to hit all 6 maps at once to clear it you get a higher score but it does use up gas. Also I think it's more efficient and leaves out guess work, everyone knows what needs to be done. Great job @avelardez !

@Jenng Go Pi Rat es!!!!

@I_Am_Psycho time to dust off the Discord channel! As for multiple players doing the same mission, having a solid strategy helps but that can only happen if the guild is able to communicate before hand and share tips, videos, screenshots, etc.

Great discussion everyone!

avelardez

> @zbot said:
> @avelardez LOL that was the strategy we came up with during testing. Everything down to numbers, Left, Center, Right is what I call it (not sure if anyone played that game but it came naturally). This is strategy for after the guild can reliably sign up for GW. This can be covered in GW Strategy 101. If you are able to hit all 6 maps at once to clear it you get a higher score but it does use up gas. Also I think it's more efficient and leaves out guess work, everyone knows what needs to be done. Great job @avelardez !
>
> @Jenng Go Pi Rat es!!!!
>
> @I_Am_Psycho time to dust off the Discord channel! As for multiple players doing the same mission, having a solid strategy helps but that can only happen if the guild is able to communicate before hand and share tips, videos, screenshots, etc.
>
> Great discussion everyone!

Been using that since 2nd battle helped team work 1st War and the second war. Same concepts. Lol. On the right path then.