The Grind is a Problem AGAIN

Troublemaker
Troublemaker Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
Not much to say on this subject, but the grind has become a problem again.

Players are using master missions as a boost and reaching lvl 50 has become a constant practice.

Plus the week bonus, when applied to a specific class, unbalances the game terribly.

Something needs to be done.
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  • Cronus
    Cronus Member Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Superhero
    Superhero Member Posts: 389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not much to say on this subject, but the grind has become a problem again.



    Players are using master missions as a boost and reaching lvl 50 has become a constant practice.


    Maybe the problem of the big whales. You can keep it. It´s not my problem at all.

    I´m playerlevel 73 and far away from reaching level 50 by master missions. But I guess you are one of the players who run the distance twice a week with without a bless blindfolded, right?
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  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, not sure what grind you mean this time troublemaker. The fact that you can play really hard levels as much as you want? Would you prefer NG said you’ve reached RSL 45 and completed the challenge, go away and come back next Wednesday? Honestly if you feel you are playing to much just put the phone down!
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  • Troublemaker
    Troublemaker Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps I just look at this scenario a little bit different than most.

    Wish I could explain it better and suggest improvements.
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  • tabernac
    tabernac Member Posts: 804

    Perhaps I just look at this scenario a little bit different than most.



    Wish I could explain it better and suggest improvements.

    I don’t necessarily agree or disagree with your position, but I’d like to gain some context. At what point do the elite level players start to play every map on each RSL round? Is it around RSL 40? RSL 40 to RSL 50 is 120 map missions. Would you like to see that reduced by 25%? 50%? Quantifying that will give me a better understanding on where you’re coming from. Cheers!

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  • JayZ
    JayZ Member Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If my read of the situation is correct, you want something similar to the new GW format. A finite, limited amount of gameplay. Unfortunately, I think this goes against the general principles of "get as far as you can" in the challenge missions.

    Honestly, I think it's hard to truly eliminate the grind. With a large enough reserve of gold, you can infinitely play almost every challenge. Each person needs to decide how many stars they're happy earning, and live with the fact that people with more time/gold will go farther in the challenge.
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  • Troublemaker
    Troublemaker Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So much wisdom here. NG could hire some of you so we players know that real mofos are up there giving suggestions and directions.
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  • Infinite_M0nkey
    Infinite_M0nkey Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2019
  • jrodrf2
    jrodrf2 Member Posts: 333
    I am truly enjoying "the grind" in its current iteration. I get to use master missions to fly through the easy missions on Wednesday and spend the rest of the weekend + Thursday on challenging maps. The only downside I have with it right now is that I play probably 75% of my missions on Wednesday/Thursday, so I don't get as much out of the weekend events. (And if you think I'm gonna spend Sunday at The Beach with Tara, think again. Now that is an insufferable grind)
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  • Bill_ZRT
    Bill_ZRT Member Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with @Troublemaker ... that's all you need to know to be confident that this is a real issue. :wink:
    For me, the grind is (and always has been) the amount of time I need to spend in this game to gain the maximum number of stars I can. NML challenges shouldn't feel like a second job that requires me to spend hours ever day to complete. Back in the day, I would actually be able to hit my limit... I wouldn't be able to push any more no matter how much time or money I had (and believe me, I'm a minnow, not a whale).

    For quite some time now, I haven't been able to actually max out on stars. If challenges were longer, I'd be getting more stars. If I could pay to get my survivors healed, I'd be getting more stars. I wish the game functioned like it used to and most of us mere mortals would actually reach a limit where we couldn't push any further in challenges instead of constantly running out of time/resources at the end of a challenge.

    So for me, the grind is real, and it sucks.
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  • Johnbert
    Johnbert Member Posts: 192 ✭✭✭
    My point of view: for me, the whole game is a grind. That’s how it works. If it’s grinding tomatoes, XP or stars. The annoying part always was getting through the missions until it gets challenging. Took ages before master mission and was boring as fuck. Now usually I’m using master mission until I’m out of round passes (or a bit further) and then I decide to do regular missions. It’s usually around 1.2k or master mission lvl38/39. That way the low level mission grind is minimised and I enjoy the weekly challenge. With unlimited gold you could always squeeze out one more star so the grind probably never ends. I’m not an elite player though, doing around 1.8-2k stars usually.
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  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "Grind" has never "not" been a problem.

    However your define it, a game which features repetitive play to get ahead (grind) only gets worse the better your skills/tools become at playing that game.

    The only finite fixed component of the equation is the clock - 0:00

    As long as there is time on the clock, players today are so strong, and so skilled, there will always be... one more round.

    If that's not your cup of tea... Well... there's always guild wars. Looks to be a grind free format.


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  • xbamfx
    xbamfx Member Posts: 1,421
    She don’t mind the grind......oh shit wrong chat.
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  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like to add that...

    Because of the Master Mission, many long time leaderboard residents are having to "work" harder to earn their spots because it's much more competitive up there now.

    Folks that didn't used to have time to compete at the top of the leaderboard have that time now, thanks to master mission.

    I'm happy for them.

    For me personally I've not been on the global leaderboard since Master mission was implemented (I used to be on it quite often), and my guild has really struggled to peak in on the guild board.

    So basically my own idea (MM) shut me and my guild out of the global scene.

    Even so, I'm still happy for all the players and guilds that can now compete at the highest level.

    If you want to be at the top of today's leaderboard there's no way around it... You're going to have to grind/spend like a mofo and earn it.


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  • bladgier
    bladgier Member Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that this issiue is more complex than the simple phrase of "grind fix"

    Breaking down the basics, taking few steps back. What is "the grind" and what is "the fix" to it ?

    Simple question and has a simple answer. Problem is, there's almost as many answers as there is people playing.

    Can you "fix the grind" for everybody? No you can't and I'm almost sure it'll never happen.

    The only thing that can and did happen is to make grind more bareable. Which is master stage for instance.
    There are some ideas out there. Will they completely eliminate "the grind" for everybody? Again, most likely not.
  • IcePeter
    IcePeter Member Posts: 397
    I refuse to spend gold to heal, so I don’t have much grind. I hit a certain level I’m happy with and stop. It doesn’t bother me if others score higher. Life > This game
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  • Governator
    Governator Member Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone has their preference... :sunglasses:


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  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Side note:

    As of this post, I'm on the global board around 43 and Zombrex Elite is about #34...

    But come Sunday we'll be fighting to hang on the very bottom


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  • mack22
    mack22 Member Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Me personally, I think the Master Mission was one of the best additions to the game recently.
    I usually hit the lvls I want to play late Thursday, which leaves me with 3 days to play and chip away at stars which allows time for healing, refueling and most importantly real life.
    I read a lot on the forums and it seems like NG takes notice, so keep the ideas flowing players.
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  • avelardez
    avelardez Member Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here’s Johnny!
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  • Huricane444
    Huricane444 Member Posts: 186
    edited December 2019
    There is no tactic or somethink now, with MM u just burn gold as much as you want to find optimal position or get stun all walkers or other. There should be some gold or attempt limits per 1 MM then u will think more how to get throught !
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  • TWDaddiction
    TWDaddiction Member Posts: 487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It’s awesome and again, cool thing about it!?! Don’t like it, cool, don’t play it.

    I was up to 1300 stars in an hour this week. I had like 300 gas saved up from that free booster though. So no, normally wouldn’t have happened but point still stands. Remember how long it took to get to 1300 before this!?!? Friday maybe lol

    Out top 5 right now almost has 2k. Never would’ve happened without MM. and it doesn’t raise the end results necessarily (all though we can push a little further due to time). I personally get my goal for the week and can move on. Before, the weekend was literally just grinding challenge.
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  • Bertiedogbottom
    Bertiedogbottom Member Posts: 7
    Oh fuck off. If people choose to cheat like you do, endless play is your own problem. Zero sympathy for your pathetic attempts.
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  • Troublemaker
    Troublemaker Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh fuck off. If people choose to cheat like you do, endless play is your own problem. Zero sympathy for your pathetic attempts.

    Gonna give you some audience: can you please develop on the cheating part?
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  • rogueDS
    rogueDS Member Posts: 598
    If there is still a bad grind it is for a small ammount of players honestly.
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