balancing rival guilds

MichelWars

I believe that a balance should be made and reviewed the way opponents are chosen in the guild wars, currently it seems that the method of searching for an opponent is based on the league and guild score, which is not necessary or fair since a guild does not decrease the score  the other.  it would be fair to base the opponent's search on the average level of the board of all participants, as my guild has varying levels of players ranging from 60 to 75, while the leagues are low, we take balanced guilds and we get a high score which is  even higher due to the victory bonus, which puts us in the silver league in just 2 days, thereafter the mixed guilds are left behind and we begin to face only the top guild of their respective regions that has its entire team at level 75, leaving  thus unfair competition, since we stand out against teams of our level and are penalized having to face with players fully full

the correct thing would be to base the opponent's search entirely on the level of the player's advice, and if it is not possible to search individually for each participant, then the media calculation should be done, to make disputes fair

ShadowWalker

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't  GW already adjust the mission's difficulty level based on your survivor levels? So there really isn't an advantage if you are maxed level. Well they may have better badges and pink heroes, but even that's not a given. For example, it's possible the lower leveled player spends more money, or spends more time scavenging. So even if there is a problem with matchmaking, I don't think this solution necessarily solves the problem.

MichelWars

@ShadowWalkerI am not referring to the difficulty of the missions, but the difficulty of a mixed guild with low level players being impossible to defeat a guild with full players, since the low level player does not count on doing missions from 15 to 20 levels above , in the same way that full 75 players can.

Steeboon

It's the same thing @MichelWars that you and @ShadowWalker are talking about. There is no difference between the two guilds as difficulty is scaled to one surviors.

You lost / won because of tactical play/badges/tools/gear/re-rolled heroes etc. In your case, the low level player can't clear +15-20 levels mainly due to the above reasons. In the first week, you may face super elite guilds as everyone starts off from zero and that's the currently the best way (fairest) in the system. 

Firekid

So matchmaking is apparently only based on the current seasons guild war score. So if you are scoring enough to get up to silver two the. You should be able to score enough to beat others who are in silver two (or possibly even top of the tier below or bottom of tier above depending on what score you are on). 

If you lose a few this week you’ll have a lower score and face others who have lost a few. Basically it works itself out in the end. 

MichelWars

I understand your opinion and believe that everyone who disagrees is at the maximum level with 19 companions also at the maximum level. 

What I really find difficult is for low level players to be able to close these islands down, regardless of their equipment, badges, and tactics.

5e 6e e 5g are still accessible, but the others are not so much

Vov

I used to have the same thought as you do right now @MichelWars, but then I found out that player level 75 does not equal ability to conquer those sectors you mentioned (5G, 6G, 5H, 6H). What really plays the main role here is the quality of your heroes (usually defined by pinks), your weapons and armors, and how plenty of your toolbag considering you have more than enough of experiences about tactics, movements. 

You can't expect new/mid players to handle those maps. I do not know what is your average in Challenge, but I usually score above 2k weekly and best I can do is +10. This is not an precise comparison but it relatively close. 

Nanajja

The team I am on is multilevel too !our lower level players take care of the enemies for 360 pts so higher levels can clear more missions lower levels can’t ! Sometimes enemies hard for them & can be some healing time. Yesterday a couple had to use red gas . We also try to leave some higher kill all’s for them as well tend to be easier even in high levels . But as time goes on they are getting stronger and/or more confident! W/o risk there is no reward, but for guild wars you are still rewarded even with loss not bad either!

ghost_pepper

There are many ways to play with gw. So many many ways. Are you min-maxing your teams potential? Sounds like no. 

We all have access to the same amount of everything. Why then do some groups regularly have winning ratios and other groups regularly have losing ones? In my guild, we outscore in gw other groups that regularly out score us in challenge stars each week. We're sure not pouring $$$ into tools and gold for heals and all the sexy badges. Nope!

wms

I just know that it is extremely discouraging to play team after team and have their lowest scoring survivor beat your highest scoring survivor.  This is with assuring that all blocks started are completed when possible; and with teamwork between the lower level players going against freeman and the highest level and capable players tackling the highest scoring parts of the map that they can.  We are happy for everyone to get at least 300 or more and have a few close or right at 400.  Teams coming in the scoring between 500 and 600......  I know it's just a game but after three days of this, I'm not looking forward to playing on the team tomorrow.  I'm practicing on trying to go over 7 levels and may eventually get there or so I tell myself.  

Also Pink stars are being mentioned here.  I think i read that the pink stars don't work in GWs?  

Paste

Pink stars certainly "work" in all game modes. They just don't count them as levels.

ATLAS-Z

@MichelWars I have players in my guild family that are level 60s and can clear sector 5H and 6F, and higher

I also have players that are level 75 and can't clear 1D

Care to explain? (pssst I know the answer )


And if war difficulty was scaled even more in favor of the lower level player, then what motivation would anyone have to level up?
(referring specifically to GWs game mode)



You have a narrow view of the mechanics behind this game mode, this is not meant as insult, only observation.

Many folks above have deep knowledge of the game and its mechanics, I suggest you don't blow off their comments so easily, or mine. 

MichelWars

o nivel dos oponentes, uma guilda simples e mista contra uma guilda top global

XeRo

MichelWars said:

I understand your opinion and believe that everyone who disagrees is at the maximum level with 19 companions also at the maximum level. 

What I really find difficult is for low level players to be able to close these islands down, regardless of their equipment, badges, and tactics.

5e 6e e 5g are still accessible, but the others are not so much

To play here I had to invest a lot of time because it's not totally impossible to play up to 6G being F2P ...
Or as my friends always say ... If it doesn't work, appeal to the 4 movements XD

But I’m neither Christian or religious, so I don’t even use these secret movements haha

Vov

Not so different, aren't we? 

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Vov said:

Not so different, aren't we? 

they Walking you are Walkers it's a match 

MichelWars

tell me if this seems fair to you?  tell me if my little guild has a chance against one of the biggest guilds in the game?

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MichelWars said:

tell me if this seems fair to you?  tell me if my little guild has a chance against one of the biggest guilds in the game?

it's not fair if we talking about global fair
but it's 100% fair according to the game rules and matchmaking system, as I'm wrote in another topic, almost 350 guild has Master tier in season 7 so it's a game mechanics if first place will be against 350
I'm don't know how to made this fair on first week each season but it's quite fair in 2,3 and 4 week

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my guild in top 10 last season and today we fight against small guild but my team mates still fight like against top guild it's our respect to opponent

WellyLuga

Noob Slayer @aquila is battling today so you might win

MichelWars

Crocodile said:

MichelWars said:

tell me if this seems fair to you?  tell me if my little guild has a chance against one of the biggest guilds in the game?

it's not fair if we talking about global fair
but it's 100% fair according to the game rules and matchmaking system, as I'm wrote in another topic, almost 350 guild has Master tier in season 7 so it's a game mechanics if first place will be against 350
I'm don't know how to made this fair on first week each season but it's quite fair in 2,3 and 4 week

a big guild player will never understand the position of someone who is in a small guild, maybe if they faced sequences of guilds that were impossible to defeat, maybe they could see my point of view

MichelWars

what i want to make clear is that the current matchmaking system used by the game is not fair for small guilds that score high for effort and strategy, since we are set against enemies of incomparable strength, where nothing we talk about will be enough to win

Vov

Great, "small" guild with "high" score by "effort and strategy". Maybe we are just like abusers, no brainer at all that reached Master tier and somehow got matched with a Master tier guild with same number of participants . 

Anyhow, if I were to start new GW season in a smaller guild, I would suggest my teammates to play in smaller team for better chance to win. Disagree all you want but going with team 9 or 10, don't be surprised to be crushed .

Edwin_WW

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MichelWars

Vov said:

Great, "small" guild with "high" score by "effort and strategy". Maybe we are just like abusers, no brainer at all that reached Master tier and somehow got matched with a Master tier guild with same number of participants . 

Anyhow, if I were to start new GW season in a smaller guild, I would suggest my teammates to play in smaller team for better chance to win. Disagree all you want but going with team 9 or 10, don't be surprised to be crushed .

the current system is favorable for you, so keep enjoying it and don’t bother with my search for a fair system for smaller guilds.

Steeboon

You can always outwit the system by playing on later days to allow guilds below you to catch up and those above you to pull away.

Vov

Steeboon said:

You can always outwit the system by playing on later days to allow guilds below you to catch up and those above you to pull away.

Psst! Hey man, he firmly believes their only limitation is not a full 75 guild, no advice is needed 😉. 

n00b

You can always create a 2nd guild and move there

Vov

@Crocodile hey man, can you share couple of your vids handling 6H with level 13 survivors? I remember you posted them somewhere but I could not find them.

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Vov said:

@Crocodile hey man, can you share couple of your vids handling 6H with level 13 survivors? I remember you posted them somewhere but I could not find them.

I'm upload all on YouTube
you find them in playlists
https://youtu.be/R7CFnfsM0SQ

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something strange, don't open my channel by link