Strong guilds using matchmaking exploit

tallinie

There have been some proposals on how to improve the system. There was idea of calculating guild strength according to battle participants . Maybe rewards could be based on strength as well. Strong cheater guild kicking small guild on nuts would gain only 1.01x for a win, while David winning Goljat it would be 50x. Maybe giving some rewards for good fight as well, so losing team could still get some bonus if they exceeded expectations or lost only by couple points..

xbamfx

TCBRITO said:

TeenahGee said:

Here is an example of the exploit in action...  not sure how this is a "protest" to the game mode.  This only discourages new and developing players to stick with the game.

 

I agree with you! They could simply "protest" using no tools and yet still face large opponents, even if they suffered some defeats, it would be more dignified and honorable than to slaughter small guilds.

Sure we could use no tool and take massive damage and need gold to heal every battle. I’m playing smart with my resources. Next season you will be depleted down and I will have 200 of every resource. So who is fools and who is not? I don’t care to win GW I waste $400 for what? Some couple of ok weapons, tokens, components I could have just bought straight up in the shop and save all my time and even more money. Lol 😂 pay attention to how much gw is raping the shit out of you all wallet and butt hole. Ahhhhh Im enjoying with my feet up, oh btw utilizing NG tier system to advantage is no different than player using low level survivors to do max mission for same RP and VP as I so when NG can change that I’ll throw my $200-400 at them for the season. Happy Hunting old friend. 

xbamfx

Serp said:

I still don’t understand this logic. Why not just stay where you were and not use tools and take the losses by tool using guilds? 

So play and get your ass beat in the hardest maps with no tool. Which means massive damage and need for gold to heal continuously, and OH if you lose no VP at all. Yeah makes perfect sense 😂😂😂😂 glad I don’t listen to anyone tell me how to play my game, I’m doing as the croc man now, play as I want not how others tell me LoL. Negan love you too buddy ❤️ no hate 

[Deleted User]

xbamfx said:
 I’m doing as the croc man now, play as I want not how others tell me LoL. Negan love you too buddy ❤️ no hate 

bro now you get it 

Mario_Romero

@JayZ you will have noticed i spoke of "several" big guilds as to not throw all of them into a heap. No need for name dropping or for anyone to feel individually targeted.

As for the toolcap, i would support that yes. I don't think the absence of tools constraints a players level. To the contrary, i believe tools and, a fortiriori unlimited tools, artificially inflates the levels a player can hit.

With this map it doesn't matter anyway if the one whale hits sector 20 or not you'll still lose to the team that can do 18, 19 and 20. This won't change if you make 19-20 level 45-47.

Where you could make a (albeit a flawed) case for unlimited tools bridging gaps in the old map it just exacerbates the gap on this mapset.

A cap would bring a player down closer to his "natural" level whatever that may mean.

I know you are a great advocate of the idea that skill still matters but it is something i believe less and less to be the case.

I would actually welcome something to be impossibile once again, as some things were not all that long ago - allthough it seems like an eternity-. 

And i miss making great team work truly pay off, rather than have the final score be the tally of the players individual levels.

@tallinie the fact that you speak of teams of equal strength proves my point rather than invalidates it.

Metal

Right on XBAMFX, sit back collect our tools, not buying any, while others spend and use the crap out of them right now, lol, these cry babies are just Peanut Butter and JEALOUS, that they didn’t think of it. Free world Free speech don’t like it STFU and leave, don’t give a rats ass what you people think about a small game, maybe go worry about real world shit instead of lower guilds, lower guilds that just makes me laugh so hard…..And if you want me to play your way send me some cash I’ll buy all the tools you want me to have, PayPal is welcome 

Karajoca

So, to sum this up, there are people who are neglecting our reasons and call them "BS" while tool cap is literally only thing i talk about on this forums for MONTHS backwards. If anyone should know about this that's @Busta a.k.a Bezos himself. But he doesn't like advantage he bought to be limited, hell no. Let's keep blaming someone who for months is trying to stop this madness and presenting like i am doing something really bad here to hide a real problems. Though, You are good in that i must admit.

https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/45512/guild-wars-leagues#latest

Like for many things in this game i was talking that leagues are needed long ago. You don't want to listen, so i need to show you examples of how this current system is BS, in practice. Only way - to really get noticed. And it's working. 
I was nice to this community for a long time, but realized i don't need to bother when everyone are just looking to protect whatever advantage they think they have.

 Why should i not use advantage of this loophole, this real cheap move to allow my players earn rewards they deserve, while not spending their resources and money ? Why should i stay, play by your rules and allow you a satisfaction of beating us when nobody in team is in the mood to compete at the moment ? 
WW will never obey. We will try to shape the game like we want it to be, time will show is it for the better.

Special message for @Kurgan and @Busta that i am free every day between 2 and 5 PM CET time for you to kiss my narcissistic, hypocrite ass. 
Was fun chatting with you, i am going back to my jacuzzi now.

Here are numbers and names for @Crocodile . Guilds missing on the pictures are "Survivors"  & "Die Furchtlosen" , rest is Merle, PM me if want full screens 

xbamfx

My, my, hasn’t this topic spiced up NML 😂

Paste

Man, you can tell you WW guys had a lot of time in the past few weeks to anticipate this thread and pre-write these responses. Maybe you should let some more critics chime in between your posts though, to make it seem like you're being attacked and defending yourselves.

It must have taken a lot of time to write these posts about how much you don't care what everyone else thinks.

SnewfDiggity

Out of all this I laughed the most about the jacuzzi.

Empires

Waaaa I used tools and we still lost waaaaaa let’s change our name and then get easier opponents and w

WellyLuga

Empires said:

Waaaa I used tools and we still lost waaaaaa let’s change our name and then get easier opponents and w

We won last season... probably with less tools spent too

TCBRITO

In 8 seasons, WW won only 1 ... They did as F1 driver Nico Rosberg did, won 1 time Lewis Hamilton (Super champion Mavericks) and decided to quit the competition and not compete anymore. 

Empires

In protest of the protest every guild should do the same

TeenahGee

@Mario_Romero, we have lower guilds in the DeadStalker Family, so I do care about my teammates who were frustrated this week.

None of those  players felt the new map disadvantaged them, so I didn't post about it.  I am not in the highest guild in our family either.   We won 4 and lost 2.  But our matches were competitive for the most part.

Here is a different suggestion.  There is a history now of how much different players in a guild score.  Use that to make even matches by averaging the guild out. 

TeenahGee

Karajoca said:

You don't want to listen, so i need to show you examples of how this current system is BS, in practice. Only way - to really get noticed. And it's working. 
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 Why should i not use advantage of this loophole, this real cheap move to allow my players earn rewards they deserve, while not spending their resources and money ? Why should i stay, play by your rules and allow you a satisfaction of beating us when nobody in team is in the mood to compete at the moment ? 
WW will never obey. We will try to shape the game like we want it to be, time will show is it for the better.

@Karajoca, come on man, as someone said earlier, pick a lane.  Protesting or taking advantage for your guild's benefit?  

And if you are gonna share scores show what your opponents scored and not just who they were and your final score.

"Cheap move" is the best description for what your guild has done.  Regardless of trying to deflect it by equating it to choosing which days to play.

Hellnight

Error this ww

Hellnight

WellyLuga said:

Serp said:

I still don’t understand this logic. Why not just stay where you were and not use tools and take the losses by tool using guilds? 

Rohlikzauchem said:

Serp said:

I still don’t understand this logic. Why not just stay where you were and not use tools and take the losses by tool using guilds? 

Coz nobody would notice anything. There would be just silent. Nothing else. As it is now, peeps will point at these guilds, talk about them. Blame and hate them. It pulls the attention. And its working

Exactly, one way to get people talking. Poking holes in a broken system. Not spending tools would go unnoticed, people would just say 'oh I guess they're just taking it easy'. A total boycott of the game mode would gain us nothing, both in rewards and getting a message across. I wonder if NG will address this loophole as actively as they addressed level 13 survivors with flat damage badges...

Those clans created to win easily do not harm the system, they harm FTP players.

Not using tools is the best form of protest, this is a business, and the programmer starts to care when he does not make that much money.

Imagine if the 20 most important clans and where the majority of PTW are stopped buying what would happen.

I don't waste tools, I play with nothing until level 45. Neither in challenge, the master missions and the new weapons and weapons that do "what is necessary" take away ability. The only thing he spent previously was for weekly events (for example, the one with the most radios), but NG charged them. I also haven't bought radios since a specific hero's X2 calls were destroyed. Now I play, I have fun with my friends and my ego is not high enough to enter a competition who uses more "tools", all my contempt for these poor players who do not have any skill other than that of their wallet ...

WellyLuga

Hellnight said:

WellyLuga said:

Serp said:

I still don’t understand this logic. Why not just stay where you were and not use tools and take the losses by tool using guilds? 

Rohlikzauchem said:

Serp said:

I still don’t understand this logic. Why not just stay where you were and not use tools and take the losses by tool using guilds? 

Coz nobody would notice anything. There would be just silent. Nothing else. As it is now, peeps will point at these guilds, talk about them. Blame and hate them. It pulls the attention. And its working

Exactly, one way to get people talking. Poking holes in a broken system. Not spending tools would go unnoticed, people would just say 'oh I guess they're just taking it easy'. A total boycott of the game mode would gain us nothing, both in rewards and getting a message across. I wonder if NG will address this loophole as actively as they addressed level 13 survivors with flat damage badges...

Those clans created to win easily do not harm the system, they harm FTP players.

Not using tools is the best form of protest, this is a business, and the programmer starts to care when he does not make that much money.

Imagine if the 20 most important clans and where the majority of PTW are stopped buying what would happen.

I don't waste tools, I play with nothing until level 45. Neither in challenge, the master missions and the new weapons and weapons that do "what is necessary" take away ability. The only thing he spent previously was for weekly events (for example, the one with the most radios), but NG charged them. I also haven't bought radios since a specific hero's X2 calls were destroyed. Now I play, I have fun with my friends and my ego is not high enough to enter a competition who uses more "tools", all my contempt for these poor players who do not have any skill other than that of their wallet ...

One guild not using tools is going to do nothing though. A tool cap has been raised through various channels, complaints about the new map increasing tool use has been mentioned multiple times. I've even shared team number suggestions with other elite guild leaders to show that it was possible for most of the top guilds to avoid each other to limit these heavy spending battles that line the pockets of NG to hit them where it hurts. Nothing. 

I spent 5 tools across my two battles last week and none of them were essential, they were mostly medkits to avoid heavy injury so I could play my missions in a shorter period of time and be done with it.

All these forum Robin Hoods can go on and on all they like about the 'little guilds' - I honestly couldn't care less and I'm not buying it. The system and the gamemode is a joke and we have had enough of it, does anyone actually like what it has become? The sheer amount you need to shell out to be remotely competitive? So yes, we played with dirty tactics so we don't face other tool heavy guilds, could play mostly tool/stress free and still casually earn solid rewards. Call me a bad person but I am not going to lose sleep over screwing over some players/guilds/people I have never met and taking some resourses they might have earned on a mobile phone game. Good grief! Aren't we bastards in Wild Walking

TCBRITO said:

They want to be champions of the GW season without facing any elite guild. They are a real joke, they may even be able to take 1st place in the ranking, but they will never be winners, they are just fearful chickens.

We can beat anyone on our day, we don't fear any guild out there. The main difference is we don't have/want to, some people want to play the best in every battle - all props to them for their ultra competitive nature and fat wallets. We've been ultra competitive throughout all 8 seasons of GW and watched as it moved more and more from skill based to P2W, we won last season with smart play to show how the system was broken and this season we have shone more light on the cracks. The last time WW and Mavs faced off both teams got a max score and neither got a win bonus, it is better for your wallets if we don't face you. You benefit if we remove ourselves from the mix so kindly step down from the pedestal you've jumped onto

WellyLuga

FYI - This was the quick plan I drew up. Apologies if your guild isn't on this list, it's not a slight against you. I just think this was the top 7 at the time. I know it would be bad for the 'little guy' but it would have been worse for NG. Guilds not on this list could go with the team number of the guild they are furthest from to avoid a tough matchup. I didn't pursue it as I know too many like the tough matches and I'll be honest, I couldn't really be bothered. There was an easier way for us to avoid the teams which you have seen come to fruition.

Whoareyou

It’s funny that all of a sudden you guys care about the little guy you didn’t care about them last week or last month or last year I give it a week or so and you guys would of forgotten about the little guy again 

If you think this game is fair you are kidding your self it’s far from it it’s like a Casino the house always wins the house being NG they secretly nerf hero’s and events to suit them not the players I can’t remember the last time I seen a x2 tomato’s event or all the season missions being reset things that help the so called little guy I don’t see tools in any other part of the distance then nightmare that only helps the big players Is that some of that so called fairness people are talking about

GW is a mess bugs glitches still on beta NG won’t you to spend more and more of your hard earned money it’s a business I get that but it’s out of control at the moment tools need to limited some how at some point having constructive conversation about it but that won’t happen in this forum with all the WW haters and trolls 

The funny thing is you don’t even get anything for finishing first in GW what’s the point of spending all that money then to finish first to get nothing the only one wining out of that is NG at the end of the day 

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WellyLuga said:

FYI - This was the quick plan I drew up. Apologies if your guild isn't on this list, it's not a slight against you. I just think this was the top 7 at the time. I know it would be bad for the 'little guy' but it would have been worse for NG. Guilds not on this list could go with the team number of the guild they are furthest from to avoid a tough matchup. I didn't pursue it as I know too many like the tough matches and I'll be honest, I couldn't really be bothered. There was an easier way for us to avoid the teams which you have seen come to fruition.

we don't like play T9 and T10 need to change that picture  

NerfZone187

WellyLuga said:

Mario_Romero said:

It's really moving seeing everyone suddenly care for the little guilds

All this heartfelt sympathy brings a tear to my eye.

I know right, who knew there were so many good Samaritains on the forums after all

I am the only person to fix guild wars. For a small donation to my diesel fund I will bulldoze their server locations.

I am the visionary you guys need for this revolution!

NerfZone187

Whoareyou said:

It’s funny that all of a sudden you guys care about the little guy you didn’t care about them last week or last month or last year I give it a week or so and you guys would of forgotten about the little guy again 

If you think this game is fair you are kidding your self it’s far from it it’s like a Casino the house always wins the house being NG they secretly nerf hero’s and events to suit them not the players I can’t remember the last time I seen a x2 tomato’s event or all the season missions being reset things that help the so called little guy I don’t see tools in any other part of the distance then nightmare that only helps the big players Is that some of that so called fairness people are talking about

GW is a mess bugs glitches still on beta NG won’t you to spend more and more of your hard earned money it’s a business I get that but it’s out of control at the moment tools need to limited some how at some point having constructive conversation about it but that won’t happen in this forum with all the WW haters and trolls 

The funny thing is you don’t even get anything for finishing first in GW what’s the point of spending all that money then to finish first to get nothing the only one wining out of that is NG at the end of the day 

It only took 3 pages for somebody to spit straight facts ☝🏽

WellyLuga

Crocodile said:

WellyLuga said:

FYI - This was the quick plan I drew up. Apologies if your guild isn't on this list, it's not a slight against you. I just think this was the top 7 at the time. I know it would be bad for the 'little guy' but it would have been worse for NG. Guilds not on this list could go with the team number of the guild they are furthest from to avoid a tough matchup. I didn't pursue it as I know too many like the tough matches and I'll be honest, I couldn't really be bothered. There was an easier way for us to avoid the teams which you have seen come to fruition.

we don't like play T9 and T10 need to change that picture  

I spent a whopping 10 minutes on that table. Blood, sweat and tears. How dare you!

NerfZone187

Paste said:

Man, you can tell you WW guys had a lot of time in the past few weeks to anticipate this thread and pre-write these responses. Maybe you should let some more critics chime in between your posts though, to make it seem like you're being attacked and defending yourselves.

It must have taken a lot of time to write these posts about how much you don't care what everyone else thinks.

Little memories, marching on
Your little feet, working the machine
Say will it spin, will it soar?
My little dream, working the machine
Soon, like a wave, empires will fall

And closing in on you, they're going on......

NerfZone187

In most colonies, each ant has a specific directive, or a job to do. Together the ants work for the success of the entire colony, expanding it like an empire conquering territories. Modern human societies are similar, as we “work the machine” to push society further along. It is easy to lose our sense of identity becoming defined by these directives, but we hold on to our “little memories” to keep us going. Ironically, this too serves the empire; things like our identities, our dreams, and our precious images of the past help to keep our feet moving for the larger machine.

Watch the Black Mirror episode 15 million merits for context

Fluxxx

The soft tier reset system is definitely intended to reduce the number of severe mismatches between guilds in early wars, as well as to get guilds to play at their true skill level sooner - that's the way most competitive system work. How guilds end up competing at the top level, is not something we directly control.

If a guild does not want to compete against other guilds that make it to the top of the leaderboards, be it because of intensity, pressure, tool usage - then it is fair that they drop down a little. They will naturally end up competing against other guilds to perform similarly. 
However, being against the soft tier system because you get less 'easy' matches against Bronze guilds, and instead you get matches against similarly performing guilds, is neither competitive nor fair.

We've previously considered and discussed the idea of a tool cap with some endgamers, and the overwhelming sentiment was against such a change. 

Thanks to everyone who gave their feedback and opinions on this thread. I will be closing it now as it's gotten a bit derailed. We will discuss how to move forward on this subject.

On some final notes, @Whoareyou @NerfZone187 we don't secretly nerf heroes nor events. If you see something odd and have something to back it up with, please bring it up.