Guardian Carol - fast walkers bug

paeaeaesch

When fast walkers are attacked with Carol in lead they will always retaliate, although they should be killed (or stunned) with the first attack:

https://youtu.be/X5IznNa0aCg

ATLAS-Z

This feels just like chainsaw (as we knew it would) ... Is that as intended though? I'm not sure. 

Lexia

We'll take a look @paeaeaesch. Thank you for sharing, and please do reach out to support if you lost potential resources due this (eg. gold on healing)

Firekid

Man not sure how I missed this! I also had the same issue, it appears that the “extra” attack happens first, so rather than guarenteed critical you get a normal attack then your charge attack. My guess is that it’s coded this way so that you can’t get instantly recharged after using a charge attack, however it’s really sucky that it works this way and makes Carol and melee unusable with fast walkers around. 

Shian

we just hate fast walker , please remove it ability to retaliate 

paeaeaesch

This is still not fixed... 

Firekid

Lol, was going to check here before I started my last stand run. Looks like won’t be using her with melee again this week. 

Burmeliinis

Anything new about this @Lexia ? This week's Expert Last Stand has Guardian Carol and fast walkers and many players encounter this bug now. 

Lexia

So far it's been identified to only happen when Guardian Carol is in red health. We have also not received many (if any) reports of this matter in a while, so at the moment it is very likely to be looked into a bit later due to other more pressing matters.

Do you have some more insights on this that we might not be aware of?

Burmeliinis

Lexia said:

So far it's been identified to only happen when Guardian Carol is in red health. We have also not received many (if any) reports of this matter in a while, so at the moment it is very likely to be looked into a bit later due to other more pressing matters.

Do you have some more insights on this that we might not be aware of?

Below is a video with Carol at full health so Carol's health surely has nothing to do with this bug.

To me it looks like Carol's LT is actually coded exactly like the chainsaw, with the only difference that Carol's trait is not a guaranteed second attack. But if her trait activates, the second attack seems to happen first, and this will be a normal attack, which the fast walkers can retaliate against. 

You could also have a look at the dmg of that extra attack, as the amount of dmg seems bugged as well.

So if you fix this bug you'll fix the chainsaw bug also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdj-0FPs0SQ

liorsalman

Happened to me also I was using Rufus charged attack and after I stun the group of walkers the “stun” fast walker retaliate and got to struggle with Rufus 

ATLAS-Z

Burmeliinis said:

Lexia said:

So far it's been identified to only happen when Guardian Carol is in red health. We have also not received many (if any) reports of this matter in a while, so at the moment it is very likely to be looked into a bit later due to other more pressing matters.

Do you have some more insights on this that we might not be aware of?

Below is a video with Carol at full health so Carol's health surely has nothing to do with this bug.

To me it looks like Carol's LT is actually coded exactly like the chainsaw, with the only difference that Carol's trait is not a guaranteed second attack. But if her trait activates, the second attack seems to happen first, and this will be a normal attack, which the fast walkers can retaliate against. 

You could also have a look at the dmg of that extra attack, as the amount of dmg seems bugged as well.

So if you fix this bug you'll fix the chainsaw bug also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdj-0FPs0SQ

Or just get rid of retaliate on fast walkers. It was a nice try but overall 👎💩

The fact that they are fast is enough buff for them to make them special... They don't need any extra. @Lexia more trouble than they are worth. 

FuriousMoldovan

↑ that would be the easiest solutions to ever-evolving rampage of fast walkers.

Burmeliinis

True, but it's not like we need this game to become even easier. The opposite!

ShadowWalker

Why not just bring back Fast Walkers that can at least bullet dodge?

This gets rid of annoying glitches from retaliate, and it helps bring balance to melee teams.

FuriousMoldovan

ShadowWalker said:

Why not just bring back Fast Walkers that can at least bullet dodge?

Please no more dodgy or bleeding causing fast walkers - that was way worse, waaaaay worse than retaliation.

Even though it was only 15% dodge chance I can clearly recall them dodging several attacks in a row very often, way too often, these dodgy bastards.

Naah, nope.

ATLAS-Z

Give them another +1 movement then and dump retaliate. Super Fast walkers. 

FuriousMoldovan

ATLAS-Z said:

Give them another +1 movement then and dump retaliate. Super Fast walkers. 

Unlimited range Starbugbound Fast Walkers 😂

paeaeaesch

Lexia said:

So far it's been identified to only happen when Guardian Carol is in red health. We have also not received many (if any) reports of this matter in a while, so at the moment it is very likely to be looked into a bit later due to other more pressing matters.

Do you have some more insights on this that we might not be aware of?

The bug still exists, it doesn't matter if Carol has green health or not. The Problem, as you can see in the videos and others explained, is that the second attack is done before the first one... 

ZXer

I have already submitted a ticket on this but just thought would start a discussion here too.

If you have GCarol lead (should be popular on current Last Stand Mode), and use a Morning Star (probably on Ezekiel this week):

IF GCarol LT activates: the push mechanism looks like as if like the first attack won't cause it to push.

If you are pushing one or more fast walkers into the wall, the fast walkers will retaliate before getting stunned by the follow up attack.

If you are pushing into open space, the fast walkers will retaliate before getting pushed by the follow up attack.

So, basically, be careful with attacking fast walker with the Morning Star if you have GCarol lead.

ZXer

And it does not seem to matter whether you are using charged attack of regular attack. As long as the LT activates, the fast walkers will retaliate.

Firekid

@Lexia Another last stand with GC and fast walkers and all the complaints are surfacing again. Have you got any update on if this is likely to be fixed in an upcoming update. If you need more evidence let me know 👍