Carl’s NearlyEye Pistol

BenjaminT

Hi @Lexia and NML community

Can we have a chat about the infused Carl’s Deadeye Pistol from the new GW shop? It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Range matters for PvP, and gold High Powered would make all the difference here. Whereas Ensnare on a PvP weapon seems of little consequence when Interrupt is already in the weapon.

But if this was for PvZs then Ensnare without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Assault and hunter weapons? Yes! The Harrier is a fantastic example of this. But for single target weapons it doesn’t stack up to be worthwhile. 

The coveted and highly anticipated spot in the GW shop of the high end infused weapon is something the whole community looks forward to and in recent shops you’ve been smashing it. The very least anyone could say about Dale’s Rifle, ROAR, Saviour Handgun and Harrier is that they’re very, very good weapons. Carl’s Deadeye Pistol is one trait away from that tier but as it is, kinda seems more like a collector’s item?

It’s not too late to change it. If there’s enough support from the community will you guys consider swapping Gold Ensnare for Gold High Powered? 

FuriousMoldovan

+1 here

BenjaminT

I don’t mind about the silencer. If you can only change one thing please leave the silencer as it is 

ZXer

+1

2 things wrong in this picture:

1. Ensnare on non-piercing pistol. It's OK last time around on the Harrier because it's also got cripple (i.e., it cripples on normal attack, chance of ensnare or CA on charged attack). But it doesn't make much sense here.

2. I do mind the silencer. Why put a silencer on a non silent pistol?

sharky

+1 Here

Mahoosive silencer on a non silenced weapon is just.. well wrong 

The weapon as it stands makes no sense, please change to Gold High Powered

Go on , please. i have never asked for anything before.. it is Christmas after all

ShadowWalker

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

ATLAS-Z

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

This was my thought as well regarding pvp. You don't need/want piercing for PVP. There's no point. 

ATLAS-Z

@arqbs maybe can shed some light why he requested this weapon? 

ZXer

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

so nothing interesting about it 

ATLAS-Z

Well I'm not disagreeing, but I'm going to get it anyway and find out. Might be a place for interrupt burn with a crit root option. 

BenjaminT

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I totally agree with this point, I don’t think putting Piercing on this gun would make anyone very happy, it’d be a ‘meh’ weapon. I can’t speak for anyone else but what I’m asking NG to consider is taking Ensnare off this gun and replacing it with High Powered.

Fire, High Powered, Interrupt, Lucky would be a great weapon

ATLAS-Z said:

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

This was my thought as well regarding pvp. You don't need/want piercing for PVP. There's no point. 

I’m not sure I understand where you guys are reading anyone wanting Piercing on this weapon from. 

ATLAS-Z

BenjaminT said:

... It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Maybe ☝️ 🤷

zbot

@BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.

BenjaminT

ATLAS-Z said:

BenjaminT said:

... It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Maybe ☝️ 🤷

Hmm… maybe. I’m not sure I’m quite seeing a request to put Piercing on this weapon though. There was a bit more on the end of this paragraph originally that I hope would’ve made the intention clearer.

But on the off chance that anyone might misconstrue the intention here hopefully the final paragraph would clear up any confusion…

It’s not too late to change it. If there’s enough support from the community will you guys consider swapping Gold Ensnare for Gold High Powered? 

BenjaminT

zbot said:

@BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.

How many ‘Agrees’ would the thread need before we could get NG’s attention? Do you think they might agree to a benchmark for agrees meaning they agree to change it?

ATLAS-Z

I'll give you an agree, cuz you're an OK dude
👌😉

BenjaminT

ATLAS-Z said:

I'll give you an agree, cuz you're an OK dude
👌😉

I’ll take it, because you’re an NML hero 

FuriousMoldovan

zbot said:

@BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.

Negative, we had a precedent before.
Slightly different situation but was changed after guild shop went live
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/48775/gw-kingdom-sword-with-ruthless/p1

ShadowWalker

ZXer said:

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

so nothing interesting about it 

Oh, I agree with all that. I was just wondering, in a general sense, if Piercing is really needed on an Ensnare weapon if it's purpose is to be used in PvP.

OP did say:

BenjaminT said:

It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. 

ATLAS-Z

ShadowWalker said:

ZXer said:

ShadowWalker said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

so nothing interesting about it 

Oh, I agree with all that. I was just wondering, in a general sense, if Piercing is really needed on an Ensnare weapon if it's purpose is to be used in PvP.

OP did say:

BenjaminT said:

It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. 

Brilliant insight again from he who walks in shadows... 

So that would mean the only thing you could afford to sacrifice (to get your High Powered) would be... Lucky?

Not willing to lose Interrupt, as it's the only thing that makes this weapon a bit different (and able to stop CW walkers).

I mean, what is everyone's plan for when a CW starts right next to you in GWs? Chuck flare every time? 

ShadowWalker

My plan is to complain to NG until they change CWW three times like they did fast walkers

BenjaminT

It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

I think I ought to rewrite this bit as it might be causing some confusion. I never meant to imply the one trait missing is Piercing. Even if you add Piercing to this it’ll still be pretty uninspiring, I think.

So to clarify, I only ever meant High Powered as the missing trait. Get rid of Ensnare and replace it with High Powered and this becomes a very interesting shooter weapon.

arqbs

ATLAS-Z said:

@arqbs maybe can shed some light why he requested this weapon? 

Of course, I can clarify yes!

My thought was solely and exclusively on having a good weapon for defense!

But I believed they would keep the silencer on her, along with luck as infused talent!

but the most important thing for us players is to know that NG is keeping an eye on our requests, that was clear!

So simply ENJOY!

Because it could be a simply horrible weapon....and we get an option to use it! I see it that way!

We are all looking to improve!

BenjaminT

Any thoughts @Lexia?

ATLAS-Z

I get that it's crap, or at least that the majority think it will be. And I also get that once upon a time we did convince them to change something else that was crap. But they've held pretty strong to their not changing crap to non crap based on player input since then. And if they hold strong on this one then the result will likely be that on future crap gear we will not be begging them again. Or at least not as much.

BenjaminT

ATLAS-Z said:

I get that it's crap, or at least that the majority think it will be. And I also get that once upon a time we did convince them to change something else that was crap. But they've held pretty strong to their not changing crap to non crap based on player input since then. And if they hold strong on this one then the result will likely be that on future crap gear we will not be begging them again. Or at least not as much.

I think we’ve lost this battle, but hopefully the dialogue has been helpful. Constructive communication between developers and players can only be helpful for future ideas, right? I’d guess the developers are also players and have their own thoughts on moving the game forward, there’s probably as much debate between them as there is among the player base. I don’t expect their intention is always to make the best and most powerful weapon possible, the game would soon get boring and ridiculous if they were doing that. But their goal, I would guess, is more aligned to doing things which are interesting. And on that front I’d say they’re incredibly successful.

You’ve won this one, developers! But I doubt you’d even want to beat us into submission entirely.

Here’s to the next round, see you soon 

BenjaminT

Maybe there’s a plan to release the Scoped 9mm with Lucky/Interrupt/Incendiary

Skywithin

The only use this gun has is to stop commonwealth walkers in "fish in a barrel" which start 1 space away.

Ryo

Well at least I'm not the only one who thought this thing was not worthy of buying. Now it if had High Power.. I'd get it.

BTW in real life suppressed firearms are very loud still.. just ear safe.. and even then, the big calibers still need to wear hearing protection. Only thing that is movie quiet is the 22LR.

FuriousMoldovan

I found a use for it - equipped on Haggie on Ambush map last week 😂