Brace yourselves! The storm of hate for the challenge is coming! lol
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@Mabiki
Unfortunately, on my lower level accounts a bruise means a healing time of roughly 13 minutes. And I don't have an A, B, C and D team there. So I maybe get to play 3 or 4 maps and then it is either paying gold (which I can hardly afford to do and which I also refuse to do) or waiting.
@ShadowaceAz
Being bruised early on does not equal challenging - annoying is not the same thing as challenging.
And this challenge - to me - is annoying because of the faults in the game mechanics.
If I can't shoot two Freemen which are perfectly placed because of auto-cover, that's a flaw.
If walkers ignore Freemen and Freemen ignore walkers and both run past each other to attack me, that is also a flaw. There is no occupying the Freemen with walkers because they ignore them most of the time. @Kaz (So more walkers would not help if you ask me...)Leader of Morbid Sinners and Morbid Spirits
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The auto-cover is my biggest complaint. Last night it would not let me line up a shot on 2 freemen in a line and when I finally gave up and let auto-cover move me....it put me in a spot that had another freeman hiding behind. I shoot and was defenseless and prime for a bruise which he happily gave me. I like the idea of the maps and the strategic challenge of thinking through my moves but when I basically can only move 1 or 2 spaces and still hope to shoot from where I want than it is boring and not a very well though out plan.Part of the MAVERICKS Guild Family
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I joke about my mediocre-ness but in reality I consider myself somewhat of a badass. I actually do play with strategy and I have a little skill and luck on occasion but I’m frustrated with this challenge and not because it’s “challenging”. Challenging I could deal with, this is just ridoodoodiculous.
If a lvl 22 pinked up bitchnuts along with a 2 pink assault, 2 pink shooter , 2 pink bruiser , fully badged to the gills with every perfect option can NOT escape unbruised from lvl 22 opponents , I’ll be damned if that doesn’t make me a little perturbed.
The hate is flowing at this point.
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I decided not to spend any gold to heal, I agree with you. Just move on with my 2 stars and get to the miserable end of this challenge.psychwolf said:Yep, major problem with revenge. Is it really that hard to program it so that Freeman aren't considered allies? I'm not even trying to replay missions where I take damage. Just get me to the next round so I can earn my round passes for next week and I'm done with this challenge.
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Side note....what's with stunning the freeman and they still get a shot off? That's happened several times to me, really pisses me off.
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My toons are level 19, I don't have any 2-pinks and yet I managed a clean sweep all-3-stars round against level 22 opponents. I'm not the only person in my guild or on this forum who can make the claim. Given that, the options areJenng said:I joke about my mediocre-ness but in reality I consider myself somewhat of a badass. I actually do play with strategy and I have a little skill and luck on occasion but I’m frustrated with this challenge and not because it’s “challenging”. Challenging I could deal with, this is just ridoodoodiculous.
If a lvl 22 pinked up bitchnuts along with a 2 pink assault, 2 pink shooter , 2 pink bruiser , fully badged to the gills with every perfect option can NOT escape unbruised from lvl 22 opponents , I’ll be damned if that doesn’t make me a little perturbed.
The hate is flowing at this point.- Those of us who are doing well in this challenge are amazingly awesome
- We're not awesome but incredibly and consistently lucky right now
- Whatever you're doing with your toons on this challenge, badass it ain't.
There's a wide range of ways to play this game, but a lot of people stick to one portion of that range. They can do that and get away with it, most of the time, because the challenges have mostly let them. Along comes something different and a lot of people are complaining. If the complaint is that there hasn't been enough variety, that people should have had more incentive to develop broader playing styles and more options in their survivors great; let's have this challenge back more often and see some others that mix things up a little; then people will *have* to start trying more things. If the complaint is that this kind of challenge happens at all, nuh uh.
This challenge is not impossible. It isn't even that hard. The Freemen are still a little unpredictable but nothing like as bad as they were last time this challenge came round (check the bug list thread to see how things have improved); there are ways to make those eccentricities unimportant.
- Those of us who are doing well in this challenge are amazingly awesome
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@Boukephalos I’m not even mad atcha for calling me out on my opinion.
I was just thinking it’s weird that I’m in the lower levels of the challenge ( for my usual) and I keep managing to get bruises....... probably from the forced cover, unstunnable freemen, obviously being more human than the other humans that are closer to the walkers. It was just weird to me. But congrats to you
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Can we have armoured, fattie and spiked freemen next time all with double assault weapons with extra long-rang and 360 degree arc. Now that would be fun.
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To me, the challenging part of this challenge set is completing a map without getting bruised, which on some maps seems nearly impossible. This is due to game mechanics and bugs as mentioned by many above. It is also difficult due to the fact that it takes 2 hits minimum to kill a freeman while they run around and through walkers in their path to attack my survivors. And if my survivors attempt overwatch, all they end up doing is killing walkers, so I cannot use interrupt.
Another annoying part of a few of these maps is having freemen on both sides of the map at the start and dropping my survivors in the middle. This basically renders all the cover positions unusable as my guys are "exposed". But the game mechanics still try to send me across the map, past walkers who will get a bonus attack on me, and drop me right next to a melee freeman who is in overwatch.
Fortunately, I do have some upgraded armor with sniper harness that I use for my outpost defenders. It has proven handy during this challenge. I have managed to get to 28.2 and 4 round passes, dropping 2 to 3 stars per round along the way. Did not replay any as it was not due to incompetence on my part, just the unfair game mechanics allowing freemen to avoid walkers, pass by one of my survivors offered up as a target, to hit the one furthest away who happened to be most vulnerable. I will go no further as I will not get to the 5th RP without sustaining heavy injuries, and I will not use gold to heal from heavy injury.
However, I did find that using a tanked up bruiser with near 10k health and 65% IS/DR helped. I run her out there to be target practice for the freemen as she has proven to be able to take 4-5 hits from lvl 27/28 freemen before bruising. And while having the bruisers come in pre-charged is nice, rarely are the freemen bunched up close enough to hit more than 2 at a time. And I can do that without the charge ability as I have a wide area bruiser weapon (winter hockey stick).
@Kaz Maybe next time this challenge set is run it could coincide with a reduced healing event? (But only after the combat mechanics/bugs are worked out for better balance) -
Gold Sniper Harness is a must if you don’t want to get bruised to much in earlier rounds. I don’t mind forced cover, on certain occasions, cause I need to take less damage from the Freemen, but if it try’s to put me in the wrong spot, then I’ll quick move and then post up and take my shot. It’s a tough week for sure.
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*(1) Thank you for confirming that I simply suck!Kaz said:
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My personal opinion, I do think it's a fun challenge and I was already predicting some negative feedback because it's something players are not used to. I wouldn't say it's harder though, (1) because with the right moves/tactics/strategy it's possible to go even further than you've gone in other "normal" challenges. .
(2) Thanks for the feedback!
*(2) No, thank you for confirming I simply suck!
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Some people are getting insane scores (Like 1800+ Stars) .. but it's all dependent on Bruisers with Damage Reduction badges and the starting charges . It's actually pretty cool to see the ingenuity of some to work with what the challenges provide .. I'm having fun , but I can also see why this challenge frustrates so many people . A few tweaks and Freeman challenges aren't far off from being unique and very fun/challenging in my opinion
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Wow, I pretty much agree with everyone on this Challenge, if that's what they want to call it. One thing for me is I feel like my playere hardly move any significant distance. Llike it's not bad enough that there are more Freemen tban your survivors, hardly any walkers to get in theit way (haven't seen one armored or fatty), and they sure seem to be able to move around much better than you. To say I hate this challenge is an understatement! I'm level 59, my survivors are still only level 20, but 5 stars with 5 star equipment and I'm only earning 2 stars after just round 6....thats just some serious.BS!
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Sorry for my typos!!
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There are only two maps that are really tough. Preventative measures and the protect the box opener guy one. The others are just stun and run. Better have a lot of damage reduction though.
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@Boukephalos I have been playing this game for over a year. Got L24 tunes and yes, I do admit I do not have many plan Bs. Usually stick around with ranged crew and that’s it.Boukephalos said:
My toons are level 19, I don't have any 2-pinks and yet I managed a clean sweep all-3-stars round against level 22 opponents. I'm not the only person in my guild or on this forum who can make the claim. Given that, the options areJenng said:I joke about my mediocre-ness but in reality I consider myself somewhat of a badass. I actually do play with strategy and I have a little skill and luck on occasion but I’m frustrated with this challenge and not because it’s “challenging”. Challenging I could deal with, this is just ridoodoodiculous.
If a lvl 22 pinked up bitchnuts along with a 2 pink assault, 2 pink shooter , 2 pink bruiser , fully badged to the gills with every perfect option can NOT escape unbruised from lvl 22 opponents , I’ll be damned if that doesn’t make me a little perturbed.
The hate is flowing at this point.- Those of us who are doing well in this challenge are amazingly awesome
- We're not awesome but incredibly and consistently lucky right now
- Whatever you're doing with your toons on this challenge, badass it ain't.
There's a wide range of ways to play this game, but a lot of people stick to one portion of that range. They can do that and get away with it, most of the time, because the challenges have mostly let them. Along comes something different and a lot of people are complaining. If the complaint is that there hasn't been enough variety, that people should have had more incentive to develop broader playing styles and more options in their survivors great; let's have this challenge back more often and see some others that mix things up a little; then people will *have* to start trying more things. If the complaint is that this kind of challenge happens at all, nuh uh.
This challenge is not impossible. It isn't even that hard. The Freemen are still a little unpredictable but nothing like as bad as they were last time this challenge came round (check the bug list thread to see how things have improved); there are ways to make those eccentricities unimportant.
Not being an elite player, I am most definitely not a newbie. I started getting 2 stars frequently since around RSL 23/24. So comparing this to your performance, and following your own approach, I see 2 options:
1. You and some of your guildies are indeed either very lucky or awesome players
2. Your results could eventually be slightly not as good as you stated, at least on a regular basis.
Now guess where my money is? Take a wild guess :-)
My humble advise is that it is not the best of ideas to come to this forum and undermine other people’s performances. That’s just me, anyways....
- Those of us who are doing well in this challenge are amazingly awesome
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This Challenge had me go to the IDGAF phrase from the get go. Least I got to skip the grinding phrase.
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Worst challenge ever,constantly in hospital, if i want to play I have to spend a lot of gold or wait hours,all my members are complaining, it's a boring challenge, where's the fun in this.I've been playing NML for 18 months and enjoy the challenge every week,hope NG takes the complaints on board and bins this one.
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This challenge is awesome. You just only have to be careful of all your movement. And use at least one bruiser.
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Yeah think this is basically difficult for those who are used to taking Sasha/abe and two assaults. Boohoo! At last a variation on that tactic. I'm level 19 survivors and player level 57 and storming it due to liking playing with bruisers etc. Cleared round 18 without losing a star and very few bruises. You should do a challenge where you can't use assaults, would really sort the wheat for the chafe! Only glitch thats actually a glitch is the freemen not getting stunned from a bruiser charge attack. Oh and incase it wasn't clear I'm loving this challenge set. But please let us know if it'll be part of rotation so we know it's worth keeping that bullet proof/sniper harness gear!
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I'm not claiming to be awesome, I thought that was made quite clear, given that I bet against that likelihood. What I don't do, when I encounter things in the game that I wasn't prepared for, is blame the game. I learn. What I see here is people blaming the game. Very noisily, and in some cases very petulantly.Papacas said:
1. You and some of your guildies are indeed either very lucky or awesome players
2. Your results could eventually be slightly not as good as you stated, at least on a regular basis.
Now guess where my money is? Take a wild guess :-)
My humble advise is that it is not the best of ideas to come to this forum and undermine other people’s performances. That’s just me, anyways....
If someone's argument is just "I lost some stars, the game is crap" and other people are not losing stars, pointing out that there are other possibilities is just being honest and realistic.
If you see me starting a thread here about how the game is betraying me and I'm upset, you'll have a point. As it is...
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Now, I know people point and laugh with at me, however, I need to point out that I found this to be a rather unexpected surprise.
Little sneaky bastard just walked away from the gate altogether so he could charge up and attack me while his two friends are still hidden in the dark behind the wall.
Since he abandoned the gate and charged. I assumed all others were dead. So much retaliation and crap flying I couldn't tell people died except that I was charged up.
Anyway, went to finish him off and setup for the spawn wave and got sucker jumped by warrior and scout that were hiding.
Walked away with 1 Star and 2 hours downtime.
Would you consider that a
@Kaz & @Shteevie ?
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@Boukephalos Oh I do have a point, maybe you do not agree with it, which is quite different. It all comes down to personal taste and yes, I do not like this challenge. It does not fit my play style. Is that wrong? No, it is not. You like the challenge because it forces you to go out of the box. Is that wrong? No, it is not.Boukephalos said:
I'm not claiming to be awesome, I thought that was made quite clear, given that I bet against that likelihood. What I don't do, when I encounter things in the game that I wasn't prepared for, is blame the game. I learn. What I see here is people blaming the game. Very noisily, and in some cases very petulantly.Papacas said:
1. You and some of your guildies are indeed either very lucky or awesome players
2. Your results could eventually be slightly not as good as you stated, at least on a regular basis.
Now guess where my money is? Take a wild guess :-)
My humble advise is that it is not the best of ideas to come to this forum and undermine other people’s performances. That’s just me, anyways....
If someone's argument is just "I lost some stars, the game is crap" and other people are not losing stars, pointing out that there are other possibilities is just being honest and realistic.
If you see me starting a thread here about how the game is betraying me and I'm upset, you'll have a point. As it is...
The issue for me here is tolerance. And respect for other players. When you pretty much stated that @Jenng was playing subpar, you crossed a line, one that you did not need to cross at all. It went besides the point and it was uncalled for. Again, that’s just me -
No argument there. If somebody doesn't like an aspect of the game, that's their business. Nobody has to like melee or ranged or raiding or any of it. That's not what I've been arguing about.The_Jer said:
@Boukephalos Oh I do have a point, maybe you do not agree with it, which is quite different. It all comes down to personal taste and yes, I do not like this challenge. It does not fit my play style. Is that wrong? No, it is not. You like the challenge because it forces you to go out of the box. Is that wrong? No, it is not.
If the argument is "The game is wrong" and the justification is "I'm hardass, so it must be wrong", the person making it is setting themselves up for that. There isn't really anywhere else to go to argue against it.
When you pretty much stated that @Jenng was playing subpar, you crossed a line, one that you did not need to cross at all. It went besides the point and it was uncalled for. Again, that’s just me
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Hmm, I guess I was just sort of lost then, because I actually thought anywhere else was better, such as just skipping it all together without having to sling mud.Boukephalos said:
If the argument is "The game is wrong" and the justification is "I'm hardass, so it must be wrong", the person making it is setting themselves up for that. There isn't really anywhere else to go to argue against it.
I better look for the rule book again, I was unaware that we were required to be rude in forums. I always thought that was a choice.
Personally I respect the hell out of @Jenng and take her at her word. She is pretty awesome, maybe this is just something new in her experience of Challenge sets? Alas, we may never know because being polite is apparently the wrong place to go.Descensus in cuniculi cavum
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It's the Preventative Measures mission that is going to end most players challenge this week. There are just too many raiders to kill without help from the walkers and the spawn once you get to about +6 or +7. I am really enjoying the other five missions using Morgan and my two best bruisers. I just accepted getting only 2 stars much earlier than normal, and moving things along.
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This challenge is very...challenging
For who is usually bored by the weekly normal challenge this is actually a good thing. What's the point in playing round after round over and over without a minimum of satisfaction?
This is actually a good think.
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I'm in the minority too this week, I've been having a lot of fun with Morgan, assault, and bruiser. There's something about melee buffs/events that just make the game more enjoyable than relying heavily on beefy ranged survivors.
And I like that it's different than what we're used to. 
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