Brace yourselves! The storm of hate for the challenge is coming! lol



  • xiaofei66
    xiaofei66 Member Posts: 42
    Thanks NG for a different and fun challenge! It was fun!
  • Stalker20
    Stalker20 Member Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm using epic Dwight, legendary assault with bullet dodge, pink star bruiser, all with bulletproof on their armour. I'm actually liking not getting 1 star as there is no struggle (yet) level 24 atm and probably need to shift some badges around as the bruiser isn't stunning all freemen now.
  • MadPuppy
    MadPuppy Member Posts: 2,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love it.

    Would love it more if adjusted

    Freemen?! Yikes.

    No autocover. Or ability to turn off.
    No walker ignoring.
    Reasonable movement.
    No overwatch shooting after a move that they have already shot in (I want that trait, and no, it was not retaliate).

    Freemen getting hit by walker then ignoring said walker to cross half a map to attack my toon switch to overwatch and hit again on that and the retaliating on the retaliate of my retaliating toon calling in his buddy from the gate to swing his big.... something in my neck.

    Well sarcasm aside, freemen if anything, have freed themselves of the game mechanics that we are bound by and are free of any walker awareness.

    Ignorance must be bliss, I can still hear them laughing in my dreams after I've tossed and turned and finally fallen into a fitful sleep.
  • marie1980
    marie1980 Member Posts: 176
    I'm using my best survivors, level 21 with levelled up weapons and armour, trying different combinations of classes, as I normally use shooter,Hunter,machine gun combo, struggling like hell,getting 1 stars now.I get why some people like the change this week,but not much fun when it's TOO MUCH of a struggle.
  • Papacas
    Papacas Member Posts: 416 ✭✭✭✭
    @Boukephalos mate, if by now you did not realize you have been rude, I cannot help you. Good luck with that
  • Papacas
    Papacas Member Posts: 416 ✭✭✭✭
    By the way, on RSL30 or 30.1 I saw a new X-men bug: a Freemen hunter shot twice in the same round! It was actually fun. That hunter first attacked a walker and i was happy for not being targeted. Then he took a small sprint a shot poor Merle who almost died.

    That freeman was the only hunter amongst the enemy and my only hunter was using an xbow. So even if my eyes tricked me, he fired twice for sure. Merle is my witness hehe
  • OneLessTitan
    OneLessTitan Member Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What I don't understand is why our survivors aren't always given TWO "moves" (action points)...
    If you only move the 3 spaces (currently 1 AP), then your survivor can still shoot or go into overwatch...(the way it is now)
    But why not allow our Survivors to move their full range AND then let us still attack (but not overwatch)?

    That would completely render Auto Cover useless as we could then make the decision as to where our Survivors would actually attack from. I hope the Autocover AI here's my talking crap about it; I'm not worried about it coming back from the future to kill me.
  • tallinie
    tallinie Member Posts: 402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In my guild, @vshield50 already has 2355 stars and its still one day to go. @slayer is definitely putting pressure on him to go beyond rsl 40. But these guys are supermen, and we can just admire their gameplay.
  • Boukephalos
    Boukephalos Member Posts: 261
    sbf said:

    I'm in the minority too this week, I've been having a lot of fun with Morgan, assault, and bruiser. There's something about melee buffs/events that just make the game more enjoyable than relying heavily on beefy ranged survivors.

    And I like that it's different than what we're used to. :)


    Morgan is a largely ignored and dismissed leader; nice to see his advantages made plain.
  • Jaden
    Jaden Member Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good for everyone who has Morgan at a usable level. Mine is still 21 (I have some 24s by now). If everything wasn't so expensive and wouldn't take so long and if there weren't so many council upgrades too soon, I would have gotten around to him before this challenge.

    Alas, I had to focus on whom I use most... And this will probably go on and on and on like that indefinitely.

    Using different strategies is nice if you can afford the resources... Otherwise you are screwed. Now tell me how this has nothing to do with how the game is designed (whether someone views this as a flaw/problem or not is another matter).
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  • TRUFAtwdnml
    TRUFAtwdnml Member, Content Creator Posts: 170
    Less stars = less prices
    People in my Guild are losing motivation.. and I see people leaving the game for everywhere...
    I think NG is trying to kill the game in some decorous way...
  • Boukephalos
    Boukephalos Member Posts: 261
    edited April 2018
    Jaden said:

    Using different strategies is nice if you can afford the resources... Otherwise you are screwed.

    For most of my early game, Darryl or Negan were the leaders for anything because that's all I had. Until very recently, Rosita was my leader for all things ranged because Abe is useless till epic. Jesus has been my leader for all things melee since I got him to epic because Michonne is a long way off for me. Rufus, Aaron and Carl are distant dreams. This is the very first time Morgan has been any good to me.

    But this (a similar sequence, not necessarily the same one) is the story for everybody. How can that be news?

    Alas, I had to focus on whom I use most.
    Well, so have I. But I've been willing to change my focus as new opportunities arise. I thought that was the only way it could be done, given the game design. I have more opportunities than I did earlier in the game, there are still many options not open to me yet. That's the way of the game, I thought. Am I stupid?

    Despite that and despite not sinking $$$$ into radio calls, I manage to play a diverse game. What am I missing? Am I deluded to be satisfied with what I get from playing different strategies? I thought I'd found significant advantage in developing both ranged and melee styles (on most challenges, one team can be doing missions while the other heals) . Am I kidding myself?

    Now tell me how this has nothing to do with how the game is designed.
    The game is absolutely designed to require you to be patient and do the best you can with an imperfect team unless you're willing to spend cash. That's the business model. You either develop a way of reaching satisfactory goals despite the limitations or you hand over a lot of money.

    Now, you seem to have reached a point where you're not satisfied by the achievable goals. Thing is, I and people like me think what's on offer this week is entirely within the reasonable parameters of the game. More than that, we think the game should have been exploring the game's parameters more broadly more often.

    One of us is going to be unhappy with the way NG reacts to feedback from this week.
  • Kater_Carlo
    Kater_Carlo Member Posts: 15
    Hi out there,
    what really annoys me is that I'll miss 5 (five!) trophy's per day ( 1 for the 12 challenge-missions and 4 for all daily missions) and 5 Morgan-Tokens per day.
    Why do there have to be so many Freeman? Three of them and a bunch of walker would do the trick, wouldn't they?
  • Stalker20
    Stalker20 Member Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give us the same move and shoot as the freemen and everything's ok.
  • Jaden
    Jaden Member Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh f the forum or myself, I am not able to get quotes to properly work... so here goes... pretty sure everyone can figure out what I am referring to. ;)


    Did I claim I was telling anyone any news?

    You keep repeating how much better you are than everyone who dislikes this challenge is... and I still don't berate you for not posting anything that is "news" to anyone here. ;)

    I was simply stating my opinion and my reason for not having the same awesome results that you have.

    But I wonder... Did you even read what I wrote? I think you didn't.

    Did I say I was unwilling to try something else? Nope.

    I said I could not afford the ressources. But you were so focused on me not telling any "news" that it seems you did not actually have the time to give what I said any thought.

    No, you are not stupid. You are just unwilling or unable to understand that your circumstances are not everyone else's.

    What you are missing is... yeah, you can figure that one out yourself, I keep repeating myself and I start to find it boring.

    You are be deluded in thinking that your opinion is the only valid one - at least you make it seem as if that is what you think.

    Glad that you had the time and ressources, maybe luck... to develop both ranged and melee. Good for you! Others were not able to - and still not everyone disliking this challenge has the same reasons for disliking it... and not everyone who doesn't have the same diverse team and gear dislikes it. So... your point is?

    If you are saying I am not patient and not doing the best I can with an imperfect team, you are wrong - I am doing the best I can as patiently as I can. I still get to have an oppinion that differs from yours, thank you very much.

    And mine is that we should have more diverse challenge sets so it makes sense to have a more diverse survivor setup (if you knew me at all you would know that I have been asking for more diversity, especially in goals to finish a map but gave up asking for that because I never got any reaction whatsoever).

    But before they fixed all the shit that is wrong with the game, this is just frustrating for a lot of people, including me. Good for you that you are not one of them. I wish I was in your shoes (just maybe not as dismissive of others...)

    I also think you are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to berate and belittle others for theirs, even though it seems you think you are.

    And I haven't reached that point now...I reached it when they nerfed the TG rewards and pretended to have fixed the grind when all they did was shift it to other game modes.

    Has nothing at all to do with me disliking this challenge - I dislike it because it is buggy as hell, because some of the game mechanics are BS and because we (as in: my guilds and me personally and all others who aren't doing well) get even fewer rewards because of all that. I dislike it because we lost one player over it. I dislike that all I do is wait for my survivors to heal all week long and that I personally have no way to avoid it (true for my 2nd and 3rd account - my main is doing fine).

    There are multiple scenarios of how NG could react - what makes you so sure it is either of us going to be disappointed?

    Would you be mad if NG said "hey, we are going to fix all the bugs next months so when the challenge returns in 2, all the stuff that is annoying will be gone"? If so then only because others could do well then, too - I could see no other reason for anyone being disappointed in a fix. But maybe you were just being realistic and NG is never going to fix all that. Still... there is a small chance... :p

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  • Boukephalos
    Boukephalos Member Posts: 261
    edited April 2018
    Jaden said:


    You keep repeating how much better you are than everyone who dislikes this challenge is..

    I haven't said that once. All I''ve said, in response to people saying this challenge is terrible and impossible, is that it demonstrably isn't because some people are handling it. I don't grouse when the challenges are hard for the way I''ve chosen to prioritise the always-limited, never-enough resources in the game. If this thread had been full of people just saying "I'm finding this one tough, doesn't work for my set-up, isn't the way I like to play" then it'd have been largely empty of me. "I and my toons are awesome, how can I be losing stars?", on the other hand...

    You are just unwilling or unable to understand that your circumstances are not everyone else's.
    You've been determinedly ignoring most of what I wrote, if you think that. To make it clear, I'm not criticising anybody for finding the challenge tough, I'm not arguing with people who don't like the challenge or saying they should like it, I'm not criticising people who balanced their teams differently - there are always trade-offs - I'm criticising the all-to-frequently-repeated argument that the challenge is just crap because they find it tough. That is an attitude that says either their circumstances are everybody's or that nobody else's matters.

    Does that make sense? Or are you so wedded to the idea that I'm a malignant force in this thread and you have to defend the innocent?
  • deb1hd
    deb1hd Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually enjoyed this weeks past Challenge. Although I didn't get the star count that I normally get. I didn't feel like I was grinding either. It gave me a chance to use Surviors that I normally don't use.
  • Jaden
    Jaden Member Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2018

    You never said "I am better than" but maybe you should re-read what you wrote to Jenng for example - and maybe, just maybe you will see how you come across.

    And I read the whole thing and most of what I see is people saying "I hate this challenge", "I find it..." etc. - so maybe we have read two different threads? Or we've just read it from a different perspective.

    You actually did criticize people for not enjoying this challenge and therefore not wanting to play it: "Sitting this one out? Jeez. You lose and get to look petulant at the same time."

    I am not defending "the innocent", but after stating my very personal opinion you attacked me and my opinion. If you think you didn't, well - it certainly felt very hostile.

    Not every post you made in this thread has been hostile, I am not saying that. But some were...
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  • l2wannabe
    l2wannabe Member Posts: 166 ✭✭✭✭

    Jenng said:

    I joke about my mediocre-ness but in reality I consider myself somewhat of a badass. I actually do play with strategy and I have a little skill and luck on occasion but I’m frustrated with this challenge and not because it’s “challenging”. Challenging I could deal with, this is just ridoodoodiculous.

    If a lvl 22 pinked up bitchnuts along with a 2 pink assault, 2 pink shooter , 2 pink bruiser , fully badged to the gills with every perfect option can NOT escape unbruised from lvl 22 opponents , I’ll be damned if that doesn’t make me a little perturbed.

    The hate is flowing at this point.

    My toons are level 19, I don't have any 2-pinks and yet I managed a clean sweep all-3-stars round against level 22 opponents. I'm not the only person in my guild or on this forum who can make the claim. Given that, the options are
    1. Those of us who are doing well in this challenge are amazingly awesome
    2. We're not awesome but incredibly and consistently lucky right now
    3. Whatever you're doing with your toons on this challenge, badass it ain't.
    My money's on option 3.

    There's a wide range of ways to play this game, but a lot of people stick to one portion of that range. They can do that and get away with it, most of the time, because the challenges have mostly let them. Along comes something different and a lot of people are complaining. If the complaint is that there hasn't been enough variety, that people should have had more incentive to develop broader playing styles and more options in their survivors great; let's have this challenge back more often and see some others that mix things up a little; then people will *have* to start trying more things. If the complaint is that this kind of challenge happens at all, nuh uh.

    This challenge is not impossible. It isn't even that hard. The Freemen are still a little unpredictable but nothing like as bad as they were last time this challenge came round (check the bug list thread to see how things have improved); there are ways to make those eccentricities unimportant.
    Well aren't you THE MAN and I say that sarcastically!!!
  • Johnbert
    Johnbert Member Posts: 192 ✭✭✭
    Worst challenge ever for already mentioned reasons. Stopped playing at around 800 stars, lack of motivation and tired of spending gold for healing.

    I don't know if somebody faced the same issue but once a freeman attacked me even though he was still bruised. This kind of freemen-superpower is just hilarious.
  • Boukephalos
    Boukephalos Member Posts: 261
    l2wannabe said:

    Well aren't you THE MAN and I say that sarcastically!!!

    Pro tip: sarcasm doesn't need subtitles.

  • l2wannabe
    l2wannabe Member Posts: 166 ✭✭✭✭
    And again.....aren't you THE MAN!
  • Jaden
    Jaden Member Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fun fact: without being able to see a person's mimics and gestures, without hearing their voice, the tone, how loud someone speaks... all that... what is left is the plain message. It's said to be about 7% of the communication.

    So if I say "That's a very interesting comment." and you can't see me do this...

    or hear how I actually say it ... you would probably think I was actually finding it interesting.
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  • CBgaming1969
    CBgaming1969 Member Posts: 1,352
    Sarcasm always uses subtitles when it sarcastically wants to!!!!!!,)~