Hero base traits - how much bigger than regular toons?

is it seriously true that Michonne's base damage when unlocked at epic = base damage of a regular 4 pink warrior????

Totally possible that Michonne can have more damage than a 9* because every pink star don't add much damage to be honest but don't let that dmg fool you the 9* will do more damage to a lv31-32 in any time and any place

At the end a body shot is a body shot. Even if the base damage values are better. So your 4 pink survivor will definitely still be better then michonne with same base damage level.

Here's how Survivor/Hero Damage/Health are calculated:

1. There is a Base Rating for Damage/Health in each class...this is the Common Value.
2. Every prestige tier you advance, that base rating is multiplied (1.1x for Uncommon, 1.2x for Rare, 1.3x for Epic, 1.4x for LEG, 1.45x for 6*, 1.5x for 7*, 1.55x for 8*, 1.60x for 9*, 1.65x for 10*)
3. Many Heroes have an extra multiplier added in...
-----for example: Carl has a .25x Damage and .15x Health Boost, so an Epic Carl has a 1.55x Common Damage Rating (1.3 + .25), and a 1.45x Common Health Rating (1.3 + .15)

Here's the ratings (took them down from the site after the readjustments and hadn't double checked them):


If anyone can post pictures of non badged Abe/Sasha (also with gear without Lethal or Health boost), I will update the chart ASAP. Sorry, I'm just too lazy to figure it out without the badges I have.

**Edit: I used my old data for the the values highlighted in yellow since those values shouldn't have changed...but verification always welcomed.Thanks!

Here is non- badged Dwight @OneLessTitan

Awesome @aquila -- stepped away from the CPU for a bit, so will check dwights stats later. Thanks!!

For anyone New to the topic/discussion

@OneLessTitan has an amazing load of information in his data. More details can be found here:

https://twdnomansland.wordpress.com/survivor-base-damagehealth-values/

Wow @OneLessTitan I've been playing since Sept '17 (I know, that's why I keep saying I have baby survivors. hush...) and I think I learned more today about how the damage health layout works than I have up till today!

Sorta makes me feel like an idiot for not grasping a lot of this before. After looking through all this today, I just went and swapped a few badges around.

Laundry Room has been a 1 ✯ pain in my ass all day. After swapping two badges, I just 3 ✰'d the sucker!

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I also never really considered, at higher ASL/RSL how much pink ✯'s matter more than damage. However it does show a true statement about Epic heroes being above Legendary survivors in relation to base stats. The only drawback is a hero outside the leader position is minus a trait compared to a survivor.

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I also just learned plural of hero is heroes. I've been trying to spell it heros and my autocorrect kept making it hero's. Learn something everyday!

@Caelyn

Awesome sauce! You'll want to start using him as lead for all your missions that you can. It's amazing how much of a difference he makes in a short period of time when scavenging or even missions. If he can kill it, you want him running it.

I try to use Gov for as many missions as I can. I used to use Glenn for gaining soup and Maggie for xp, but I finally saw the light and realized since he gives both at end of mission I actually come out ahead. (Obviously that's if I am just doing the mission. If I sit around and plan to farm say 50 kills or so, then the other two will make more.)

Hope that makes a wee bit of sense.

@Boukephalos -- the numbers work perfectly. You are basing your numbers off your personal situation (hero levels/prestige)...what I explained is the UNIVERSAL way of calculating both Survivor and Hero Damage/Health Ratings (the way the game actually does it). Here's the way I did it (I'll explain only for Damage, but the same exact process is applied to Health as well...and I'll use one of the pictures given as an example: The Governor from Caelyn).
1. Take the Uncommon Damage Rating for a regular Survivor: for a level 7 Assault, that # is 72.
2. Take the Total Damage Rating shown on profile pic and then subtract the weapon value (175-68). After removing the .07 marksman value, you get 100 as the Governor's Base Damage.
3. Divide #2 by #1 (100/72) to get your "multiplier above Common Damage Rating"...that is 1.39...
4. Since a normal Rare Survivor has a 1.2x Common Rating multiplier, subtract that from 1.39 (yes, I did round this one to 1.40 since the game does round, and since we are dealing with lower level survivors, more rounding is inevitable....that leaves a +.2 increase in the normal multiplier for the Governor over a regular Rare Assault of the same level.

Using that method nets you the exact same results as my charts, for every Hero (assuming Sasha Damage and Abe Damage/Health have been unchanged over the last year or so). That's not exactly super intuitive, but it's how it works. This chart will probably be easier to understand (hopefully...lol)...

The left side of the chart deals with the damage increase...the right side deals with the Health Boost.
The Header Column refers to the Actual PRESTIGE of your Hero (just use Aaron as an example)...if you move over to the 3* (Rare) Header column, then move down one row to Aaron, at Rare, he has the Damage rating of a regular EPIC Shooter Survivor...At Epic, Aaron has the Damage rating of a regular 5* (LEG) Shooter Survivor...a 5* (LEG) Aaron has the damage rating of a 7* regular Shooter Survivor.

**There are some liberties taken with the chart....obviously there's no 11+* star survivors, but I included those #s as if the Survivors kept scaling up in damage the way the currently do, and only for comparisons sake. There's also no such thing as a 1.5*/2.5*/3.5*/4.5* Survivor, but those just show that they aren't quite the same exact rating as a Normal Common/Uncommon/Rare/Epic/LEG Survivor. Also note that Rufus' Health Ratings actually are negative Survivor Levels...that's because he's a huge bum and I needed a way of explaining/comparing his ratings, and that's how I did it.

Please check these charts to see if they line up with your personal Hero Ratings. I pieced this together pretty quickly, so there could be a data entry error, but the logic/calculations are on point.

ShadowaceAz said:

I am getting it s...l...o....w......l.......y

Still don't understand prestige reference. Prestige to me would be a level of title or standing, such as the scoring in Outpost raids. The defender are level 20 but the prestige is how much you earn after timer runs out.

Is @Boukephalos using prestige synonymous with stars? Because a level 20 can be 1-10 stars (prestige?)

I.e. your using different terms, same meaning?

not sure how bouk is using "prestige" (i think we are refering to the same thing)...but I use it to refer to Uncommon/Common/Rare/Epic/LEG/6*/7*/8*/9*/10*...(but I see I accidentally typed "level" instead of prestige in the example, so fixed that!!)