Challenge Balance Test - Let's make this together!

Loving the 30 gas trade deal.

Can you make it possible for guild members to trade xp and supplies with each other for gold? That would help the lower and higher level players alike.

I see that the intention by NG to "stop the grind" is only going in one direction: Stop the challenge grind.

In my humble opinion the supplies and xp grind is far worse.

Where grinding trough challenge levels at least accomplishes that every level you complete gets you closer to the challenging part of the challenge, the supplies and xp grind is completely mindless.

Every update you need to spend your complete stock on upgrading the council. This upgrade does nothing except allow you to upgrade other buildings. This done you think: now i can save to upgrade my training grounds.

Nope. First you must complete some useless upgrade to a building such as the scavenger of the radio tent (yes, i think some 20 odd million in supplies to get 8 tokens extra two times a week is ridiculous, especially in relation to trait upgrade cost. Now if it was a 4* call, maybe that would be worth it).

Only after this can you upgrade your training grounds but are encouraged to only upgrade two survivors untill you have been able to upgrade your workshop as well.

Once all this is done you will sit on full supplies (seems supllies events always happen when you actually need them for something else of when you have none) untill it starts all over again.

The grind of endlessly sending your survivors on scavenge missions gets so mindnumbing you just repeat opening boxes and running for the exit over and over and over again, killing any sort of enjoyment that might have crept up on you.

And once you're done with that, you can do the same for xp.

You want to end the grind? Make the council upgrade 1k of scrap it alltogether.

You want to end the grind? Don't make us complete upgrades we don't care about or that are unimportant and let us get to the good stuff.

You want to end the grind? At the very least don't keep adding to the upgrade cost without ever increasing production or storage capacity.

Only then focus on the challenge grind. Only then.

Now let me go do some ...

I am sure the upgrade will come, thats ok for me. In 2015 i got threwn back 33%. Now i am at the same level again and will be sent back 33%.
The conclusion: upgrading and investing a lot of money is useless. Its like a dog chasing his own tale. Sitting on 1700 stars is the maximum i will ever get, i know in 1-2 years i will stay at the same point again.
Thats ok to me, i got it. The only logical consequens for me isto stop using a single dollar. Just playing and have fun. 1100 stars i can make easily and thanks to the new gass flood i can play for free whenever i want.
I guess a lot of causual players think the seme.
// Masterchief, lvl. 70, playing level best 35, weekly use of money until now 40-50 usd.
Stay save outside
😀😀😀

@tiddy
Agree. This is the only way for me to consider using maybe a little money. And as guild leader you must decide. It will be discussions inside the group but that will not be a broblem in most guilds

@Firekid giving stars for nothing is nonsense. But many folk have their targets... my one was 2000. I got closer and closer, then ng decided to take away a third and make it more difficult. That happens now and again and again...As i said... History repeating.
If not some ideas like tiddys get ng s attention.
And at that point i Everybody most make his own decision. Stay in the boat and invest more moey to keep on paddling in a circle or leave the boat or just keep on sittin in the boat enjoing the stream.
I know for high end players are stars not longer relevant. They want to spend more time for other contests. So why not only give them all 3000 stars, let them play 4 or 5 rounds, then they can play guild wars oroutpost or candycrash.....
Dont take the last part so serious🤪

It makes much more sense to me to set a target based on the level you reach rather than stars. 2k* on the current set up is around 36.1 or 36.2 depending on how many passes you had and how many stars dropped. So aim for reaching RSL34/35/36 and up, the further you reach, the more you're progressing

@Kasimir

Exactly @Firekid and @WellyLuga. Your star count is relative to the challenge parameters. Those have changed a lot so don't base your goal on star totals. Aim for a specific difficulty level.

adapting the own gameplay to the rules is for sure the best way. i did it already. my new parameter is the hospital.
if the survivor i need is in the hospital- i have to wait.
suitable to all modus.

@Kasimir I mean, I don't work for NG, but if they wanted to change the scoring system so it was ranked more on the difficulty level reached instead of some arbitrary star amount like it is now, I could get on board.

> @TJS said:
> I have a proposal for next week and continuing. Can we get the fragments and components reset to ledgenary for those who pay it for a second round. Make it worth wild for our 400 gold to reset. Make that a permanent thing to not just once in a blue moon. Plus double up the tokens as well.
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> Why only make the rewards better on a reset? I'd love to see legendary fragments in the distance but not only for players who reset. That just creates a bigger divide between f2p & p2p. There's obviously already some division but IMO if that division grows with implemented changes like this the game will be dead for f2p.


Because NG would never just do that, you know. Trying to throw them a bone here. Lol. I believe they should have made them permanently part of the Distance not some epic frags and components. I want legendary stuff.

What a rip off:( 30 % throwback for the 3rd time in less than a year?? Minus 2 passes and more than 250* less:(( already hitting the wall on round 22?? Already hit finish on second day
To avoid the grind?? Entire game is based on it:)(all games are) had to grind 38 million last week to upgrade few buildings
Only ones to benefit from this constant changing the rules are the endgamers, hope they can get 9 k

Reaction (not complaint) was based on facts...what's the point of understanding, waiting etc, if rules constantly change?

Love the reduction in grind by starting triple rounds later. To those complaining: use your extra time to build up your survivors through other game modes so you can start to push farther and farther in the challenge. Better yet, try some new strategies for the levels you usually max out at now that you have more time. You may surprise yourself

Also loving the change to the challenge. ie; Triple rounds beginning at 32.

I read many comments saying this change only benefits end gamers.
Although I don't believe that is true but if I am to believe that based on the comments I've read....

Why should the game be only a benefit to mid/low level players & many end gamers have to buy gas to play through endless rounds before reaching the challenging rounds & to push as far as possible?

Anyway, I'm glad NG is making these changes & slowly introducing them. Hopefully with positive feedback the challenge can be tweeked to suit all.

Btw most of my guild is f2p and absolutely LOVED the extra gas in the shop last week. We hit a new guild record and from polling them it was in large part due to the extra gas.