Badge crafting

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  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    Thanks for posting! Looks like the exact same list as I posted.

    I guess you too then only have these 5 trait types as bonus conditions:
    Ruthless
    Strong
    Power Strike
    Vigilant
    Defensive Stance

    While those with 6 DR-badges on rotation has Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman, Retaliate, Dodge and Ironskin in addition to the ones we have.
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
  • tabernac
    tabernac Member Posts: 804
    magic said:

    Thanks for posting! Looks like the exact same list as I posted.

    I guess you too then only have these 5 trait types as bonus conditions:
    Ruthless
    Strong
    Power Strike
    Vigilant
    Defensive Stance

    While those with 6 DR-badges on rotation has Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman, Retaliate, Dodge and Ironskin in addition to the ones we have.

    I have a Legendary DR badge with Bullet Dodge as the bonus trait... :/ Does that mean I'm not on the 6 DR rotation?
  • dlb
    dlb Member Posts: 296
    Just wasted my time trying the cloth cloth chem chem and it dont fucking work.
  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    tabernac said:


    I have a Legendary DR badge with Bullet Dodge as the bonus trait... :/ Does that mean I'm not on the 6 DR rotation?

    I would think that mean that you are on the 6 DR rotation. But without seeing a list of your craftings I can't say for sure.
    dlb said:

    Just wasted my time trying the cloth cloth chem chem and it dont fucking work.

    How many badges did you craft? Do you have a list I can look at?

    The 6 DR-rotation seems like the most balanced of the two.
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So I’m confused. Say you do a rotation using metal edible chemical cloth (like I did.) I’ve now got a set of 38 badges. I then change to edible edible Chem chem. will I get the same as the first badge I crafted on my list?
    2- Say I make 40 badges using my original components then change their order and make 3 more then back to original set will I be on badge 44 of my cycle?
    3. If you use chem, metal, metal cloth will you never get a pattern?
  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    1. Yes, I think so, but I haven't tried it myself.
    2. Yes, I think so.
    3. Probably not, or it might just be a lot longer than 38. But the bonus type conditions will give you a pattern here too, I think that pattern stays for all recipes.
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One more then @magic if I use two of each does it matter which two as long as it’s 2 of each?
  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @ochito I’m on a 1 DR cycle apparently but it’s different to yours. Is each persons different or are there more than 2?
  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    Firekid said:

    One more then @magic if I use two of each does it matter which two as long as it’s 2 of each?

    I don't know. It has to be tested.
    Firekid said:

    @ochito I’m on a 1 DR cycle apparently but it’s different to yours. Is each persons different or are there more than 2?

    It would be interesting to see your cycle @Firekid can you write it down, or post a recording of your crafting?
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excuse the scruffiness!
    Also have some strange going ons in our guild. 3rd cycle changed from 29 onwards no changes to order of components or anything for one person.
    magic
  • sicron
    sicron Member Posts: 84
    The two cycles are the same for everyone. You just start at a different point. If you compare them you'll see that they are the same. You just need to make 3-4 badges to find out in which cycle you are and at what spot.
  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    Yeah, you are on the 1-DR-badge. Your nr.3 are the same as my nr. 1 and from there it's the same.
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
    Firekid
  • Pic
    Pic Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Always that one guy.. Lol @ trying to take credit. I guarantee the person that enlightened you is kicking themselves in the ass.
    "Cool story bro"
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  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks @magic for your explanations!
  • ochito
    ochito Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2019
    @Pic nah I didn't post this for credit as a said before, just wrote it on wrong way (English is not my first language). I posted because it is pretty damn unfair odds for others and I guess I don't care that much if I get bit heat after letting out "secret" shared by certain groups.
    I'd like to see the game improve and telling about a "loophole" in public might get something happening with the devs
    Jenng
  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For players to take advantage of this they need huge amounts of components.

    This will promote more play, more spending on component packs and boosters to farm components. More enthusiasm for component events. More spending on reroll tokens and radios to buff new survivors and flushing out rosters.

    I'm not sure this "revelation" is a bad thing for NGs economy.

    Most whales already got a plethora of badges, so boosting the interest and drive and modest spending of mid pack players... Might benefit NGs.

    Interesting...


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  • Billbam
    Billbam Member Posts: 1,179
    OK found my pattern then crafted 5 badges with all different types (ClCEM same order as in game) and all 5 badges matched what the pattern should show...unfortunately the 1DR pattern hahaha
  • Billbam
    Billbam Member Posts: 1,179
    Sorry if posted already but what is the order for the 6 DR pattern
    Pic
  • Pic
    Pic Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So
    You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it.
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  • tabernac
    tabernac Member Posts: 804
    Pic said:

    So

    You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it.

    It may be the case that this could have been put out in a more diplomatic way, but the OP said that English isn't their first language so I'm willing to cut some slack. I think the question of "why doesn't everyone start with the same baseline?" is a valid one.

    I'm glad that this information was brought to light. I'm on the "1 DR cycle" but now I can tailor my crafting so that Epic and Legendary frags and components don't get put towards a rubbish Critical Chance badge. This information will make me feel less crapped on and will actually give me some encouragement to care about crafting again.

    We haven't heard a peep from NG about this so maybe the only thing they're thinking is "took them long enough to figure that out..." :)
    PicShadowWalkerJenng
  • ochito
    ochito Member Posts: 10
    Would I have been quiet if I had been on the better cycle? Most likely yes. I now kept quiet for for few months just to see if there is another recipe so the odds would be more even but none was found so I decided to say something. Most likely I would have kept my mouth shut if there had been different recipes with different (and better) cycles but now you are randomly put on 1 of the 2 and what you do doesn't change the odds for DR
    psychwolfPicmimica
  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I too am on the crap B cycle, but even so it shows me very useful information.

    Specially that I should use AAAA, BBBB, CCCC or DDDD much more frequently than ABCD.

    Then I can always pop in ABCD if there is a badge in cycle that I want.

    In my test runs I got the most DR from AAAA. Random chance? Possibly.

    But simply knowing what 100% WON'T get me a badge I want tells me when to try something else.

    Useful indeed.


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  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    Here are the two patterns as far as I know:
    EffectBonus  EffectBonus 
    1CD %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault CD %Hero 
    2Damage %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault CD %Hero 
    3Damage %-  CD flatHero 
    4Health flatTraitPower Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless Damage flatTraitLucky, Sure Shot, Marksman
    5CD %Hero  Damage %Hero 
    6Damage flatTraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong DR- 
    7CCClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser Damage %- 
    8CC-  Health flatTraitRetaliate, Dodge, Bullet Dodge
    9Health %Hero  DR- 
    10Health flatClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser DRClass 
    11Health %-  Health %Hero 
    12CD %-  Damage flatTraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong
    13CD %Hero  CD flat- 
    14Health flatClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser Damage flatHero 
    15CD %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault CD flatTraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong
    16Damage flat-  CD %TraitPower Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless
    17Health %Hero  CD %- 
    18Health %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Damage flatClass 
    19DRClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Damage flatHero 
            
    20Damage %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Damage %Hero 
    21CD %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Damage %Hero 
    22CD %-  DRHero 
    23CCTraitPower Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless Health %TraitLucky, Sure Shot, Marksman
    24Damage %Hero  CD %Hero 
    25Health %TraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong CD flat- 
    26Health flatClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser CD %- 
    27Health flat-  CCTraitRetaliate, Dodge, Bullet Dodge
    28Damage flatHero  CD flat- 
    29CCClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser CD flatClass 
    30Damage flat-  Damage flatHero 
    31Damage %-  Health %TraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong
    32Damage %Hero  DR- 
    33CCClassScout, Shooter, Bruiser Health %Hero 
    34Damage %ClassHunter, Warrior, Assault DRTraitVigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong
    35Health %-  Damage %TraitPower Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless
    36Damage flatHero  Damage %- 
    37Damage flatClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Health %Class 
    38CD flatClassHunter, Warrior, Assault Health %Hero 
    Effect       
    CC5   1  
    CD %7   6  
    CD flat1   6  
    Damage %7   6  
    Damage flat6   6  
    DR1   6  
    Health %6   6  
    Health flat5   1  
            
    Bonus       
    -10   10  
    Hero8   14  
    Class16   4  
    Trait4   10 
    As you can see classes are grouped and traits are grouped, heroes might be grouped, but I don't have enough data to find those groups.

    The 6-DR-pattern are more balanced regarding the different bonuses. More hero bonuses and less class bonuses correlate better with the fact that there are more heroes and less classes. Here the 6-DR-pattern might have a disadvantage. Because class-bonuses are easier to apply than hero bonuses. While trait bonuses might be the easiest and the 6-DR pattern has much more of them.

    For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
    Discord server to discuss badge crafting: https://discord.gg/PvWYqaQ
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  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey I got Lucky as bonus trait last night, using Me/Ch/Me/Me. (ACAA)

    It was on slot 8 in B-cycle

    I made a note only because I never see this. Like ever.


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  • tabernac
    tabernac Member Posts: 804
    magic said:

    For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?

    I'm on the 1 DR pattern and on my DR badges I have class bonuses for the ones you mentioned as well as for Bruiser, Scout, and Shooter.
  • magic
    magic Member Posts: 197
    ATLAS-Z said:

    Hey I got Lucky as bonus trait last night, using Me/Ch/Me/Me. (ACAA)



    It was on slot 8 in B-cycle



    I made a note only because I never see this. Like ever.

    I guess you are on the 6-DR rotation then?
    tabernac said:

    magic said:

    For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?

    I'm on the 1 DR pattern and on my DR badges I have class bonuses for the ones you mentioned as well as for Bruiser, Scout, and Shooter.
    You might have gotten these with another recipe, but not with the MeEdChCl-recipe.
    I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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    tabernac
  • tabernac
    tabernac Member Posts: 804
    magic said:

    You might have gotten these with another recipe, but not with the MeEdChCl-recipe.

    Ah, I see your point. I hardly ever used that recipe in the past. Thanks!

    Jenng
  • abrahamaniac
    abrahamaniac Member Posts: 21
    Pic said:

    So

    You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it.

    @Pic you nailed it. This is NOT a cheat. This is NOT unfair. Someone put a tremendous amount of time, thought and resources into finding a pattern. They were kind enough to share it. The OP has already stated he would not be so quick to be posting here if he were on the "better" pattern. I am sorry but it sounds to me like a case of sour grapes, so now let's post it and ruin it for all. Congrats to the person who made the discovery. Unfortunately i feel their generosity in sharing their knowledge has been betrayed. And fyi i am not on the "better' pattern.
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  • Manselle
    Manselle Member Posts: 49
    I'm pretty sure NG will change the algorithm now.. feel bad to the guys who learned this thing first..
  • Scowley
    Scowley Member Posts: 341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Could the difference between people having the 1DR or 6DR cycle be the level of their craftsman?
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