Badge crafting
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Thanks for posting! Looks like the exact same list as I posted.
I guess you too then only have these 5 trait types as bonus conditions:
Ruthless
Strong
Power Strike
Vigilant
Defensive Stance
While those with 6 DR-badges on rotation has Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman, Retaliate, Dodge and Ironskin in addition to the ones we have.I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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I have a Legendary DR badge with Bullet Dodge as the bonus trait...magic said:Thanks for posting! Looks like the exact same list as I posted.
I guess you too then only have these 5 trait types as bonus conditions:
Ruthless
Strong
Power Strike
Vigilant
Defensive Stance
While those with 6 DR-badges on rotation has Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman, Retaliate, Dodge and Ironskin in addition to the ones we have.Does that mean I'm not on the 6 DR rotation?
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Just wasted my time trying the cloth cloth chem chem and it dont fucking work.
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I would think that mean that you are on the 6 DR rotation. But without seeing a list of your craftings I can't say for sure.tabernac said:
I have a Legendary DR badge with Bullet Dodge as the bonus trait...Does that mean I'm not on the 6 DR rotation?
How many badges did you craft? Do you have a list I can look at?dlb said:Just wasted my time trying the cloth cloth chem chem and it dont fucking work.
The 6 DR-rotation seems like the most balanced of the two.I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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So I’m confused. Say you do a rotation using metal edible chemical cloth (like I did.) I’ve now got a set of 38 badges. I then change to edible edible Chem chem. will I get the same as the first badge I crafted on my list?
2- Say I make 40 badges using my original components then change their order and make 3 more then back to original set will I be on badge 44 of my cycle?
3. If you use chem, metal, metal cloth will you never get a pattern? -
1. Yes, I think so, but I haven't tried it myself.
2. Yes, I think so.
3. Probably not, or it might just be a lot longer than 38. But the bonus type conditions will give you a pattern here too, I think that pattern stays for all recipes.I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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One more then @magic if I use two of each does it matter which two as long as it’s 2 of each?
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@ochito I’m on a 1 DR cycle apparently but it’s different to yours. Is each persons different or are there more than 2?
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I don't know. It has to be tested.Firekid said:One more then @magic if I use two of each does it matter which two as long as it’s 2 of each?
It would be interesting to see your cycle @Firekid can you write it down, or post a recording of your crafting?Firekid said:@ochito I’m on a 1 DR cycle apparently but it’s different to yours. Is each persons different or are there more than 2?
I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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Excuse the scruffiness!
Also have some strange going ons in our guild. 3rd cycle changed from 29 onwards no changes to order of components or anything for one person. -
The two cycles are the same for everyone. You just start at a different point. If you compare them you'll see that they are the same. You just need to make 3-4 badges to find out in which cycle you are and at what spot.
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Yeah, you are on the 1-DR-badge. Your nr.3 are the same as my nr. 1 and from there it's the same.I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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Always that one guy.. Lol @ trying to take credit. I guarantee the person that enlightened you is kicking themselves in the ass.
"Cool story bro" -
Thanks @magic for your explanations!
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@Pic nah I didn't post this for credit as a said before, just wrote it on wrong way (English is not my first language). I posted because it is pretty damn unfair odds for others and I guess I don't care that much if I get bit heat after letting out "secret" shared by certain groups.
I'd like to see the game improve and telling about a "loophole" in public might get something happening with the devs -
For players to take advantage of this they need huge amounts of components.
This will promote more play, more spending on component packs and boosters to farm components. More enthusiasm for component events. More spending on reroll tokens and radios to buff new survivors and flushing out rosters.
I'm not sure this "revelation" is a bad thing for NGs economy.
Most whales already got a plethora of badges, so boosting the interest and drive and modest spending of mid pack players... Might benefit NGs.
Interesting...
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OK found my pattern then crafted 5 badges with all different types (ClCEM same order as in game) and all 5 badges matched what the pattern should show...unfortunately the 1DR pattern hahaha
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You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it. -
It may be the case that this could have been put out in a more diplomatic way, but the OP said that English isn't their first language so I'm willing to cut some slack. I think the question of "why doesn't everyone start with the same baseline?" is a valid one.Pic said:So
You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it.
I'm glad that this information was brought to light. I'm on the "1 DR cycle" but now I can tailor my crafting so that Epic and Legendary frags and components don't get put towards a rubbish Critical Chance badge. This information will make me feel less crapped on and will actually give me some encouragement to care about crafting again.
We haven't heard a peep from NG about this so maybe the only thing they're thinking is "took them long enough to figure that out..." -
Would I have been quiet if I had been on the better cycle? Most likely yes. I now kept quiet for for few months just to see if there is another recipe so the odds would be more even but none was found so I decided to say something. Most likely I would have kept my mouth shut if there had been different recipes with different (and better) cycles but now you are randomly put on 1 of the 2 and what you do doesn't change the odds for DR
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Yes, I too am on the crap B cycle, but even so it shows me very useful information.
Specially that I should use AAAA, BBBB, CCCC or DDDD much more frequently than ABCD.
Then I can always pop in ABCD if there is a badge in cycle that I want.
In my test runs I got the most DR from AAAA. Random chance? Possibly.
But simply knowing what 100% WON'T get me a badge I want tells me when to try something else.
Useful indeed.
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Here are the two patterns as far as I know:
As you can see classes are grouped and traits are grouped, heroes might be grouped, but I don't have enough data to find those groups.Effect Bonus Effect Bonus 1 CD % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault CD % Hero 2 Damage % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault CD % Hero 3 Damage % - CD flat Hero 4 Health flat Trait Power Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless Damage flat Trait Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman 5 CD % Hero Damage % Hero 6 Damage flat Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong DR - 7 CC Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser Damage % - 8 CC - Health flat Trait Retaliate, Dodge, Bullet Dodge 9 Health % Hero DR - 10 Health flat Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser DR Class 11 Health % - Health % Hero 12 CD % - Damage flat Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong 13 CD % Hero CD flat - 14 Health flat Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser Damage flat Hero 15 CD % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault CD flat Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong 16 Damage flat - CD % Trait Power Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless 17 Health % Hero CD % - 18 Health % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Damage flat Class 19 DR Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Damage flat Hero 20 Damage % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Damage % Hero 21 CD % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Damage % Hero 22 CD % - DR Hero 23 CC Trait Power Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless Health % Trait Lucky, Sure Shot, Marksman 24 Damage % Hero CD % Hero 25 Health % Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong CD flat - 26 Health flat Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser CD % - 27 Health flat - CC Trait Retaliate, Dodge, Bullet Dodge 28 Damage flat Hero CD flat - 29 CC Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser CD flat Class 30 Damage flat - Damage flat Hero 31 Damage % - Health % Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong 32 Damage % Hero DR - 33 CC Class Scout, Shooter, Bruiser Health % Hero 34 Damage % Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault DR Trait Vigilant, Defensive Stance, Strong 35 Health % - Damage % Trait Power Strike, Iron Skin, Ruthless 36 Damage flat Hero Damage % - 37 Damage flat Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Health % Class 38 CD flat Class Hunter, Warrior, Assault Health % Hero Effect CC 5 1 CD % 7 6 CD flat 1 6 Damage % 7 6 Damage flat 6 6 DR 1 6 Health % 6 6 Health flat 5 1 Bonus - 10 10 Hero 8 14 Class 16 4 Trait 4 10
The 6-DR-pattern are more balanced regarding the different bonuses. More hero bonuses and less class bonuses correlate better with the fact that there are more heroes and less classes. Here the 6-DR-pattern might have a disadvantage. Because class-bonuses are easier to apply than hero bonuses. While trait bonuses might be the easiest and the 6-DR pattern has much more of them.
For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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Hey I got Lucky as bonus trait last night, using Me/Ch/Me/Me. (ACAA)
It was on slot 8 in B-cycle
I made a note only because I never see this. Like ever.
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I'm on the 1 DR pattern and on my DR badges I have class bonuses for the ones you mentioned as well as for Bruiser, Scout, and Shooter.magic said:For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?
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I guess you are on the 6-DR rotation then?ATLAS-Z said:Hey I got Lucky as bonus trait last night, using Me/Ch/Me/Me. (ACAA)
It was on slot 8 in B-cycle
I made a note only because I never see this. Like ever.
You might have gotten these with another recipe, but not with the MeEdChCl-recipe.tabernac said:
I'm on the 1 DR pattern and on my DR badges I have class bonuses for the ones you mentioned as well as for Bruiser, Scout, and Shooter.magic said:For the 1-DR-pattern the only bonus you can get with a sure DR is Hunter, Warrior, Assault. And if you use a Scout, Scout, Bruiser, you can never get the bonus. Thought?
I am collecting badge crafting results. If you want to contribute please note down as much about each crafting as you can in the sequence you craft and send it to me. Recipe, effect and bonus condition is especially interesting.
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Ah, I see your point. I hardly ever used that recipe in the past. Thanks!magic said:You might have gotten these with another recipe, but not with the MeEdChCl-recipe.
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@Pic you nailed it. This is NOT a cheat. This is NOT unfair. Someone put a tremendous amount of time, thought and resources into finding a pattern. They were kind enough to share it. The OP has already stated he would not be so quick to be posting here if he were on the "better" pattern. I am sorry but it sounds to me like a case of sour grapes, so now let's post it and ruin it for all. Congrats to the person who made the discovery. Unfortunately i feel their generosity in sharing their knowledge has been betrayed. And fyi i am not on the "better' pattern.Pic said:So
You want to see the game improve. But unfair that you're not on a cycle for 7 DR badges? So it would have been okay if you were? TBH idk about loop hole. It says recipe. One was found? Idk if it's intentional. I am pretty much set on badges myself. I have been for a while now. But someone did work hard on this. I'm sure it wasn't easy. We've all been looking for a recipe on how to obtain the desired types of badges. It's not something I'd keep secret from any player. But I sure wouldn't complain after I tried it. Didn't get what I wanted. Then took the high road saying it's for the good of the game. Many ways this could have went out to the community. If it's not intentional. They'll fix it. -
I'm pretty sure NG will change the algorithm now.. feel bad to the guys who learned this thing first..
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Could the difference between people having the 1DR or 6DR cycle be the level of their craftsman?Elder of guild 'Aloha Snackbar'
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