Do Equipment Scavenge Mission Rewards Suck?


Brief notes: Max council level, Scavenge Hard difficulty 28, Challenge difficulty 32
Since the gold, radio, and component drop rates remain the same, the drop rates for 5 star gear don't actually seem that bad, assuming you're still looking for gear. Plus when you do hit XP, it's actually worth more than the XP missions.
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Well, if that golden jackpot wouldn't be a joke like this... been playing at least 200 missions already this weekend... not one single golden jackpot! I call bullshit on this event.
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> @fretje said:
> Well, if that golden jackpot wouldn't be a joke like this... been playing at least 200 missions already this weekend... not one single golden jackpot! I call bullshit on this event
Me neither. But one of my players got 5. Bad luck. -
No... bad luck would be getting only one in every 40 missions... but zero in over 200??? This is simply bugged like hell!
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Add that to the list of bizarre things about this game LOL.TJCart said:when you do hit XP, it's actually worth more than the XP missions.
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Regarding the uneven distribution of gold jackpots that @fretje and @marroba2000 discuss above...
I read an older comment that mentioned something about jackpot frequency that stood out to me, and was posted by a player i know is very knowledgeable, but it was a short part of a comment to a post that wasn't mainly about jackpots, so as a newer player, I'm not sure i understood it correctly, seemed to say something along the lines of...
To paraphrase sketchily from memory: NG doesn't use a purely random roll to determine jackpots. That they actually use some weighted system to even out the frequency distribution that weights the chances of a jackpot increasingly as you go longer without a jackpot?
I searched for it just now and couldn't find it, probably because i Can't remember what the main topic was, just that short comment about jackpots that stood out.
Does anything like that sound familiar? If so does anyone have a link that describes what the deal is with it?
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I think I may have found everyone else’s missing weapons...
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Well I can't speak for your bad luck but I thought the chance for a gold jackpot was supposed to be 5% or 1 in 20. Yes, statistically that doesn't mean it's guaranteed, but I've been doing alright with my gold jackpots.
@VirtualSwayy Part of the reason they bump up the XP in the equipment mission some is due to the lower chance to hit XP. Realize that if you hit anything other than a gold crate, any equipment you get will be crap (no chance for 5 star or even 4 star gear), so all you're getting is a small amount of XP for scrap value. This is why overall, equipment missions are just the worst. You'd be better off with either XP or Supplies mission even if you wanted gear.
@Raven2318 Shows how it can work out if you hit the gold jackpot. I also hit one on a equipment scavenge and only got 2 pieces of gear, but also 2 XP crates, a gold crate, and 4 components, so I wasn't too miffed.
The big thing is if you aren't hitting those gold jackpots, then scavenge missions are still a terrible waste of time, even if you need gear.
Also @VirtualSwayy as far as I know, most think that they simply use a random number table or pseudorandom number generator where it may not be that hard to figure out the deterministic state of the seed. Never a proof for why people think this way, but it seems to be more of a popular opinion than the weighted system you describe. -
I'll definitely believe that. If someone can run 200 missions without triggering a 5% event, it becomes pretty hard to believe anything is getting weighted, because that is serious RNG Fu*kery.TJCart said:most think that they simply use a random number table .
LOL 200 missions? That's worth putting into story form haha! And i dig writing random mini-stories anyway. So... here is how it all went down...
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STORY GOT TOO LONG TO BE A COMMENT. FULL VERSION HERE: https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/42970/short-story-tied-to-the-tracks-a-tale-of-rngesus-the-golden-crate-train-and-the-dude/p1?new=1
=========Tied to the Tracks: A Tale of RNGesus, The Golden Crate-Train, and The Dude =========
There is an old legend in No Man's Land, about "The Dude". I've never met The Dude, and don't know anyone that has. Even though no one seems to have met The Dude, everyone knows him. because he isn't just some dude. He is THE Dude; THE dude that went 200 rounds with RNGesus, and lived to tell the tale. Maybe it's history, or maybe it's myth, but either way, it's a cautionary tale that strikes fear into the hearts of children and adults alike. The moral of this tale reminds all who hear it of the THE most fundamental requirement of life in No Man;s Land: You Worship RNGesus; or else! That was a lesson that The Dude had to learn the hard way.
The Dude's day started out like any other day grinding for jackpots in No Man's Land. His first 20 missions flew by, and then 10 more. He was jsut chillin' sending out survivors in parties of three to scavenge, but after 30 mission without a jackpot, he was getting annoyed. The Dude looked around and noticed something... he was not alone. A shadowy figure was laughing as he approached. As the stranger drew near, he grew brighter, not shadowy at all. With a smile the stranger cheerfully asked in a playful tone, "Where' da lewts at, Boi? Get 'dat gold jackpot, yo! Les' make it rayn up in heer!" The Dude thought, who is this guy? what a tool. He replied dismissively to the overly-animated L33t-speaking stranger, "I'll get it. I'll get it soon" Immediately, the stranger seem quite a bit less happy, the brightness seemed to fade as he asked in a serious tone, "Oh, so YOU?,,,, YOU gonna GET 'dat lewt?" The Dude snapped back, "Yea chill out. I almost always get a gold jackpot every 20 rounds or so." Now the stranger seemed to transform, growing taller, shadows seemed almost drawn to him and his voice changed from leet-speaking gamer-boi, to the deep powerful voice of a stern judge issuing decrees in his courtroom. He asked again, with the utmost seriousness, and again placed a bizarre emphasis on those two specific words "Are you certain, that YOU... are going to GET... a gold jackpot?" The stranger was really pissing The Dude off now, so The Dude snapped right back at him, "WTF man? Of Course, I am gonna get it. It's just RNG being a lil' bitch!". At the very moment he uttered those words, The Dude realized what he had done; He knew now... he knew he had made a horrible mistake... he knew who the stranger was, and because of that, he also knew... with certainty, that this was about to become a really bad day.
Before The Dude could even process the thought that he was completely an utterly screwed.The stranger bellowed, "Son, it's time for you to learn a hard lesson; YOU never GET loot... ever. It is ME... I am the one that GIVES loot, which you receive as a gift!" With that, the stranger confirmed what The Dude already knew... He was standing face-to-face with RNGesus, the personification of RNG itself, the most powerful force in No Man's Land, the ultimate determinant of outcomes. RNGesus was literally, a god of No Man's land, and he is pissed as hell! The dude could barely think, because one single all encompassing thought took over and as it repeated it began to drive The dude into a panic; the sheer terror inspired by that one thought, "I just called RNGesus a 'lil bitch to his face. I'm done; totally screwed." It wasn't helping that RNGesus seemed really tall now, and also really dark. RNGesus was literally cloaked in shadows as he towered over The Dude, with a grin on his face that was so evil it made The Dude tremble. As two survivors returned from a scavenge run led by the Governor, The Dude realized the Governor's team had continued scavenge missions the whole time. RNGesus turned his gaze to the mission team, sizing them up.This had to be at least what? 46? 47 missions now? Not that it mattered any more, because no jackpot was coming now; The Dude knew that much for sure. He was also sure that he was no longer in charge here, as RNGesus looked at the governor and in a commanding voice that practically compelled the Governor to obey, gave him his orders. "You will continue running scavenge missions, and opening crates, repeatedly, until I tell you otherwise. If you fail to run these missions with speed, or fail to to start another as soon as the last is done, there will be consequences, severe consequences." As the Governor began to acknowledge his orders, RNGesus quickly cut him off with a tone so chill the Governor literally froze. "Do not speak to me. If you understand my orders, begin now." At once, the mission team turned, and ran, sprinted really, to the mission car to begin a new mission. Which would be what the 48th? 49th? As if it mattered now.
RNGesus turned to The Dude now that they were alone, and told him matter-of-factly, "School is now in session. Have a seat and let the lessons begin." As The Dude sat down on a nearby rock,, RNGesus adopted a professorial tone and began...
..."Lesson 1: I got a big ole' golden crate-train. It's loaded up with train cars full of the phattiest-phat lewts. My crate-train is gold, the crates in it are gold, It's literally MADE from 5 star badge materials, which are what color? The exterior is metal train cars (they're gold), interior is cloth upholstery (all gold). The restaurant car serves up edibles not only the foods you expect, like, golden roast chicken or golden cake for desert, but everything. We got 5 star edibles that are golden steak, chocolate, even the lettuce and tomatoes in the salads (ALL gold). The 5 star chemicals I'll admit were harder to integrate. I started with simple stuff like golden hydraulic fluid for the brakes, but as soon as I discovered that chemicals can be distilled into liquor, It was on! Now the Bar car on the Crate-Train is fully stocked with top-shelf liquor that we distill from 5 star chemicals (yes, also, all gold). Cars full of gold weapons and armor. No BS traits either; alot of the bullet dodge we melt back down to 5 star metal to give out as party favors. We do use SOME 4 star cloth, we refine it into toilet paper, because on the crate-train, none even wipes their ass with anything 3 star or below. The main reason it's all gold 'cuz I make it rain on the crate-train, and no one leaves empty-handed." Just as The Dude was starting to think it wasn't that bad, just having to listen to RNGesus brag about his golden Crate-train, the lecture moved on to the next topic. RNGesus continued...
..."Lesson 2: Who gets to rides the golden crate-train and who doesn't. This one is simple, so guess who gets to ride on the golden crate-train? Yep, those that worship me, that realize all loot is a gift they receive in my grace, and give thanks. So pretty much the opposite of ingrates like you, dude. For those that don't worship RNGesus the golden crate-train drives right by. People like you get crate delivered by one for my rusty crate-trucks. I would stiff non-believers and ingrates like you completely if I could, but the probabilistic laws of the RNG force I personify demand that the crates not be empty, So we just fill 'em up with crap, and try to do stuff that screws them just a little harder like giving supplies to people who need exp, and vice-versa. We dump the 3 star and below stuff on the ingrates. For the non-believers... gas! The golden crate terrain runs on pure love, so all that extra gas ends up in non-believers crates. We don't even want to give 3 star badge mats to non-believers, so we distill 3 star chemicals back down to gas and they get that instead, we process 3 star edibles back down to tomatoes and give em supplies so they are stuck at 2 star there as well. 3 star metal melted down to gold for chests opened by the ungrateful, and 3 star cloth is harder to screw them out of, but we try to sew as much of it as we can into crap 1 star armor the infidels just auto-scrap so fast they don't realize its made of s star cloth." The dude was almost sure now that he dodged a bullet, and all he was going to have to do is listen to lectures, the lectures took a while, so they must be over 75 missions now the dude thought to himself, as RNGesus continued, "To summarize lesson 2: I'm good at rewarding my worshipers, but I'm even better, genius level, at completely screwing over the infidels who don't praise the name RNGesus." He paused for a moment, and that evil grin reappeared on his face as he said, "The next lesson will be very... let us say... difficult for you, so lets get to it". And get to it they did, and right away, The Dude got real nervous again, as RNGesus began with...
... "Lesson 3: Doesn't have a name. I've never had to teach it before, so this will be experimental. It's not so much of a lecture, but more of a... well let's call it a 'learning experience'. So why don't you go ahead and stand up." The Dude was freakin' out now, and that was probably the correct reaction, because this is where things began to turn dark, really dark. Right about the time RNGesus said, "If we wanted to name this lesson, we could stick with the Train theme and name it 'Who gets tied to to the tracks, run over, and killed by the crate train', but I'm not sure that is direct enough. We should probably name it based on what it teaches, and call it, 'Who is a lil' bitch, and who is not a lil' bitch'. Or..." RNGesus paused as he moved closer to The
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I've got 9 gold so far in about 100 missions although non had badge stuff out of the 81 gold crates about 70 were xp the other 11 was either 15 gold, useless gear and 1 lot of 4 phonesElder of dragons weyr a top USA guild
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For the most part I've been doing good with gold jackpots, but when you get something like this from an equipment scavenge mission, it just seems... underwhelming.
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Equipment scavenge mission is a huge hit and miss anyway. Maybe 2-3% of the gold crates contain a good weapon/armor with good traits, and much less if you already have some and are looking for specific classes.If you want to get better at this game, join Discord and learn badge crafting and much more: https://discord.gg/cDhgv3AJ89
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Thanks for the good laugh, @VirtualSwayy ! I really needed that :-)
Btw... Pushing on to 300 and still no gold... I'm gonna file a formal complaint... That's for sure! :-D -
@fretje Have you gotten any silver jackpots during the event?
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Yes, I had a lot of silver ones... But we all know these are as good as no jackpot, right...
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Yeah, unless you're after supply or XP scavenge, then they're better than nothing (with 6 free unlocks/hr, not spending 15 gold on the last 3 unlocks).
Still the point was to see if the event was not working at all for you or if just the gold jackpot part was "broken." Even if it is just the gold part, I'd definitely still say it worth sending a ticket. Worst they can say is "Nope, sorry," but I hope they do something for you. -
Do you change game modes or not? When i cant hit Golden Jackpot for suspicious long time, i just change scavenging supplies into XP, or vice versa. Or even play some challenge missions. And Golden Jackpot arrives almost instantly.
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I did switch between challenge and xp scavenger missions... didn't think of trying the equipment missions, as these usually give crap anyways...
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Haha @fretje glad you liked it. Its finished now and posted as ia 4k+ word short story in its own post in the general discussion forum.
Of course the story says "The Dude" is a legend, but actually the dude is you, since you went 200+ rounds with RNGesus lol. You know you get into even more trouble with him later on right? He starts reading your mind, and then you are really screwed LOL. -
Yeah, I got that you were alluding to me, @VirtualSwayy ... nice one
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Challenges drop rate vary for me. Haven't figured out how it works, but some of them have more equipment than equipment scavenge missions.If you want to get better at this game, join Discord and learn badge crafting and much more: https://discord.gg/cDhgv3AJ89
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Interesting. Those are very high equipment drop rates indeed. I know the supplies drop rate goes to zero when you get to max council level. I wonder if equipment drop rates get reduced significantly as well?Paste said:Challenges drop rate vary for me. Haven't figured out how it works, but some of them have more equipment than equipment scavenge missions.
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Equipment drop rates from Gold Crates drop drastically as you reach around RSL 26 which can drop Lv27 equipment. It doesn't drop further as you reach higher difficulties though.TJCart said:
Interesting. Those are very high equipment drop rates indeed. I know the supplies drop rate goes to zero when you get to max council level. I wonder if equipment drop rates get reduced significantly as well?Paste said:Challenges drop rate vary for me. Haven't figured out how it works, but some of them have more equipment than equipment scavenge missions.
You can check out the percentages directly at the reward screen after each mission. -
It's been like forever since I've seend some equipment with good traits... I keep reinforcing what i already have... you really have to be lucky to get something good....Looking for a guild?
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This sounds right. I replayed easy challenges a lot for gear, since the gear I get normally is too high level. I remember drop rates way higher than the ones I posted.Grady said:
Equipment drop rates from Gold Crates drop drastically as you reach around RSL 26 which can drop Lv27 equipment. It doesn't drop further as you reach higher difficulties though.
You can check out the percentages directly at the reward screen after each mission.If you want to get better at this game, join Discord and learn badge crafting and much more: https://discord.gg/cDhgv3AJ89 -
I can't even remember when i got something good in distance. Usually an armor with training gear or se weapon with interruptor. Wah wahPaste said:
This sounds right. I replayed easy challenges a lot for gear, since the gear I get normally is too high level. I remember drop rates way higher than the ones I posted.Grady said:
Equipment drop rates from Gold Crates drop drastically as you reach around RSL 26 which can drop Lv27 equipment. It doesn't drop further as you reach higher difficulties though.
You can check out the percentages directly at the reward screen after each mission.Looking for a guild?
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@QueenOTD
Maybe 1-5% of the gear I get have good traits depending on how strict my definitions are (pickier with melee traits than ranged). It's a numbers game. If you just play Challenges and Distance you get most of them eventually imo, but you have to settle for less for the classes you don't have good gear for.
You can buy the random traits gear in the TG store to catch up on the last ones, but they cost a lot and most will have bad traits too.If you want to get better at this game, join Discord and learn badge crafting and much more: https://discord.gg/cDhgv3AJ89 -
I know. I'm playing since the beginning. It's better now we can reinforce the low lvl stuff... But still I'm disappointed of the weapons we get in the crates...Paste said:@QueenOTD
Maybe 1-5% of the gear I get have good traits depending on how strict my definitions are (pickier with melee traits than ranged). It's a numbers game. If you just play Challenges and Distance you get most of them eventually imo, but you have to settle for less for the classes you don't have good gear for.
You can buy the random traits gear in the TG store to catch up on the last ones, but they cost a lot and most will have bad traits too.Looking for a guild?
Do you think you can handle the brothel life?
Join the bad guys on NML: Negans brothel 😈
Our minimum is 1300 stars
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Message me if you're interested! -
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I'd love to see an event with drastically increased equipment %s but doubt it'll happen as its a big source of income for NG i bet.
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Yes they do suck. Can never find good traits anymore.
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