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sbsdeath13 · May 2020

It doesn't seem the new spring tokens offer that good of rewards.. The weapons aren't very useful seeming they arnt going to replace the ones I have that are better. The rest of rewards are about the same low don't do much for you kind of stuff. I've mentioned before something to draw people to the game. That's not yapping and as a leader I'm losing my guild player left and right. Is it your fault or mine???

DiElEl · May 2020

Couldn't have said it any better...

Billdinger · May 2020

I will not reset the Distance one time for that garbage.

Billbam · May 2020

I will reset once for the leg fragments

Paste · May 2020

You get the deadly spike regardless if you max the campaign without resetting. Resetting is only needed for the legendary frags and the new bow.

Resetting just once gets you the legendary fragments, which is definitely worth it to me. If you can beat mission 20 in the hard mode resets are worth the gold even without the campaigns imo.

TWDaddiction · May 2020

Resetting the distance is worth 400 gold every time (assuming you can get the gold frags), so resetting for the bow is a win win imo.

Yes people will have different opinions and 1200 total gold is quite a bit. But the point is, you don’t just get the bow...you get other rewards as well along the way.

bladgier · May 2020

Exactly.

Also that scout weapon with guaranteed threat reduction on kill,
that is like weapon with 4 traits.
This knife will perform remarkably with prowl.
Same with Bow, 4 traits. (with not causing threat it's somewhat 5 or 4,5).

I've stopped playing competitive time ago and playing causes me pain mixed with nostalgia and doing the distance feels like someone's cutting me with a blunt knife but still worth it, I must get those 🔪😁

LoneWanderer360 · May 2020

Kind of disappointed that Morgan is the only hero tokens for the whole campaign.

IgorGGT · May 2020

@bladgier just charge attacks reduce threat

Spiked · May 2020

Can someone explain the rationale for people wanting charging instead of destructive? Shooters have a damage issue to begin with, without destructive you are going to get so few kills it doesn’t matter what its charged trait is.

rogueDS · May 2020

@Spiked having charge allows you to gain an action point on 2nd shot. Can make a big difference in a map. I have a regular shooter weapon and I love charge on it.

Spiked · May 2020

Got to have kills to charge. The community vote turned a marginally useful weapon into one for the dumpster.

Remember the performance below is with gold destructive, it’ll be worse on the few crits you do get with the new bow. lots of 6k body shots and a few barely noticeable crits ain’t going to do much charging. A month after you get it you wont even remember you have it.

https://youtu.be/ri-8SF6CBI8

Her badges for the record

PigBenis · May 2020

Spike won't replace my current Threat Reduction knife that has gold Razor and Threat Reduction with silver Lucky. It gets guaranteed Threat Reduction on normal AND charge attacks, plus I can prowl and get a 3rd TR from it.

ShadowWalker · May 2020

@Spiked no offense, but I am not sure what you are trying to prove with that video. You only got 2 critical hits (one on a walker that was low on health anyway), and used 1 charge attack (you didn't even kill that armored walker, so you wasted it). So basically destructive mattered once when you attacked the stunned walker, and you didn't kill that walker with that attack. It doesn't seem like destructive played that big of a role in your ability to complete that mission. Ironically there was a few times where you could've killed walkers with Tara and potentially charge up if you had Gold Charging. I am not trying to rip on your gameplay or to even say that charging is better than destructive, but personally I think your video shows that there isn't that big of a difference between Charging and Destructive.

WellyLuga · May 2020

Not just that, a Tara lead with bruisers is not a team renowned for big damage. The hunter bow is going to be best in Aaron or Hilltop Maggie's hands and a SRick lead. As @ShadowWalker says I can't see one moment in that video where destructive really helped you.. Nice video but I just don't see how you have proved any point.

The way I see it, you can only get a crit attack with a non-body shot or a charge. When you're attacking normally there is a 70% chance that the destructive is going to be void, then if you do get the 30% non-body shot unless you are stacked with CC half of those are going to be normal attacks, where destructive will also be void. At least with every single attack, whether it's a body shot, normal attack or a crit, charging has a chance of helping you.

The hunter bow is unlikely to be a weapon you use at high level but that's not down destructive or charging, it's down to the shooter class overall.

ATLAS-Z · May 2020

@WellyLuga I think you meant "with every single kill..."

But yes I agree. Winter bow is still superior due to tactical movement, which allows you to take advantage of sure shot trait to boost crit chances.

Hunter bow lacks that feature so even if you don't body shot, most often you won't be getting a critical hit.

With this weapon you'll be looking for guys low on health to clean up an attempt to recharge, which will happen faster thanks to the charging trait. More charges means more threats reduced.

The max damage will be less then a destructive weapon, that's obvious, but it'll still be high enough that if you choose your targets wisely you'll be able to manage the threat counter more effectively.

dalmer · May 2020

> @ATLAS-Z said:
> @WellyLuga I think you meant "with every single kill..."
>
Even with this correction, both of you are still wrong.

Charging on hunter bow will help only in half of the normal kills!
Because you could not understand this fact it lead you to overestimate charging which in fact is much less valuable than destructive.

WellyLuga · May 2020

I meant that you can get a kill with a body shot, a normal attack or with a crit hit. At certain levels you will be able to kill outright with a crit and fully charge up, at others you might need some strategy by attacking with your shooter last after you have weakened the walker with your other survivors. The charging trait isn't dependant on another trait like piercing or CC, not like destructive is. However you score the kill you will have nearly 40% chance to be fully charged when boosted by lucky.

We will see I guess, in time.

@dalmer Edit to add, I'm not sure how you can tell me that my opinion is wrong

. We all have preferences on what we like and don't like, what we think is effective and what isn't. I love the winter bow for it's silence, the traits are good too. I preferred it when I had a weapon that had charging though so I think I will prefer this new weapon.

TJCart · May 2020

dalmer said:
Charging on hunter bow will help...

You are right. It will help!

See, I can play the quote-taken-out-of-context game as well.

As was originally said:

WellyLuga said:
At least with every single attack, whether it's a body shot, normal attack or a crit, charging has a chance of helping you.

With @ATLAS-Z 's correction changing "attack" to "kill" the original statement becomes correct.

It seems very well that they understood how Charging works. I don't think anyone is claiming this to be a game changing superweapon either.

However, I am curious where you got the "will help only in half of normal kills" statement. Isn't the survivor trait the only source of Lucky that would be applied? Even at lvl 10, the Charging would only have a 37.5% chance of activating. Unless you're considering Father Gabriel in the lead, but even his trait wouldn't boost it up to half I think. Although admittedly, I'm not entirely certain of how Gabriel's trait interacts with other traits.

ATLAS-Z · May 2020

> @dalmer said:
... charging which in fact is much less valuable than destructive.

No one is questioning this.

No one.

I agree with you, charging is less valuable than destructive.

Ok now that we all agree on that we can move on...

The charging is less valuable a trait overall then destructive, nevertheless on this particular weapon for reasons that have been made clear... I would prefer the charging trait.

sbsdeath13 · June 2020

Y'all got off topic with that one. Make it worth trying for. Not hard. More. Better. Come on.

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