Nation Wars 5 - December 2/2020

Vladimir_Top said: Karajoca said: Seriously? We learned about bans on Thursday, some players already invested fair amount of gold to push from beginning, and then because of  someone from their team who didn't want to admit they can't participate you disqualify whole team? 

I am sure you wouldn't be that blunt if you are the organizer and have to make this decisions.

Whole point of this competition is to have fun and represent your country - with participating in 1st place, not winning. 
Look at teams of Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam etc. small countries who managed to make team of 20 and proud to be there. Don't ruin this for them because few individuals were dishonest and unfair. Those individuals already ruined reputation of their teams

If you were fair, be proud and dignified, all this closed threads are not the way to make anything good, trust me The Russian national team before the competition specifically specified the conditions for the ban from the organizers. There was a clear answer that a ban is a ban and any violation is a violation. 1 day before the start of the wars, strong players were replaced by 100% pure players. in my opinion rule # 8 is unfair, as it punishes people repeatedly for the same violation. However, we deliberately made a weaker team to obey the fair play rules. And the vote in which violators of the rules participate is generally absurd. Why didn't you pull out of the vote like France?
I agree. The voting was secret. Many players didn't even know about it. This is a direct deception of the players.

I find that statement to be untrue everyone in the leaders group know about the vote it was posted 3 or more times in the leaders chat

There some people that should be embarrassed and a shamed with the comments they have made 
there are people painting a picture that everyone know that there were banned players playing but that was not the case 
organisers of NW didn’t know till NG had checked the list of players to discover that banned players had signed up to play but by then NW had started we as leader decided to replace players would be that fairest way forward not to disadvantage other players in the guilds
banning team would of been unfair to those teams that didn’t know banned players had signed up 
replacement player were going to be lower then the score of the banned players so no advantage to that team

to attack the organises and especially attacks on Lola are shameful and misdirected by people not knowing all that facts if people think they can do better stick your hand up to help organise NW 
instead of playing the blame game 

This war was awesome! looking forward to doing it again. thank you all involved 

Whoareyou said:

There some people that should be embarrassed and a shamed with the comments they have made 
there are people painting a picture that everyone know that there were banned players playing but that was not the case 
organisers of NW didn’t know till NG had checked the list of players to discover that banned players had signed up to play but by then NW had started we as leader decided to replace players would be that fairest way forward not to disadvantage other players in the guilds
banning team would of been unfair to those teams that didn’t know banned players had signed up 
replacement player were going to be lower then the score of the banned players so no advantage to that team

to attack the organises and especially attacks on Lola are shameful and misdirected by people not knowing all that facts if people think they can do better stick your hand up to help organise NW 
instead of playing the blame gamе

Rules are rules. And it doesn't matter for what reason they are violated. And I doubt the national team players didn't know they were banned. Did the team leaders ask the players about bans? If not asked then it is entirely the fault of the leader. Why did the violating teams vote for their fate? The leaders of the violating teams acted as stakeholders. It would be foolish to assume that such a leader would vote for a ban. Only France acted honestly.

ignas said:

@Vladimir_Top and what if leader asked the question but was tricked - that’s also his or team’s fault? 

If the player deceived the leader, then the team is not at fault. But why would a player do this? The top players of each nation participate in the war of nations and they are well-known, what is the reason for the deception they understand that they are letting the team down? In my opinion, the rule of prohibiting the participation of players with a ban is unfair. The player receives a second punishment for the same offense, in fact the ban makes the player a second-class person

Listen while I respect people trying to lead the event and take charge but if that is what you are going to do then you need to take the criticism when it arrives. If the leadership was unaware of who was Banned prior to the event between NW4-NW5 than it should have been postponed until said info was revealed. Pressure put on NG to do the right thing but once again we cut our nose to spite our face because every time someone brings up the issue pre-emptive they get ridiculed and told to not be toxic etc. which in reality once it blows up it’s even worse for those players participating and the event as a whole. This has happened to me specifically in Team USA chat numerous times whether to suppress my opinion or to prevent someone getting “butt hurt” 

it doesn’t matter though I’m glad I didn’t waste my time participating once again in a flawed event that isn’t governed by NG or enforced properly by leaders etc. it’s ran by a group of people who want it done whatever way they want it done and not a set in stone, hand down transparent and ethical way of doing things. I knew once the vote came in a team wouldn’t be disqualified for violations I wasn’t participating because I instantly KNEW it was going to turn out the debacle it was. AGAIN! Either way it’s my opinion and the truth on the matter whether you like me or, you hate me I speak the truth on this event. Happy Holidays to all, I’m enjoying my vacation in the Bahamas 🍹 good day to all.

Karajoca said:

I really hope to see Russian community of players hosting virtual competition in this game in near future. 
You obviously know the best and have answers and solutions for everything. Let's see how you will handle all kinds of problems organizers are facing and what decision you make when whole world is monitoring and expect you to satisfy them. 

I am not saying you should host Nation Wars 6,but anything, whatever you want. Just bring it on, show us how is done.

When you do that, then you can come here and and teach us all a lesson. All i see now is bla, bla, bla... not fair, we lost, bla, bla. 

And this message you get from guy who love Russia and consider you as brothers to my country. Totally disappointed in how some of you act here

So I propose to organize youth games. Are you ready to provide information support? Or, for example, to be on the jury?

Really don’t understand how you can treat the same

1) fact of cheating DURING NW4 
2) not being aware about participating in NW5 players that were not allowed and replacing them by other players 

Making equality between those two just blows my mind. 

ignas said:

Really don’t understand how you can treat the same

1) fact of cheating DURING NW4 
2) not being aware about participating in NW5 players that were not allowed and replacing them by other players 

Making equality between those two just blows my mind. 

Exactly. If player cheated DURING NW, of course replacement would not be possible. 
But this what happened here is different, team rosters were ruined and total score would not be correct. This wasn't possible to stop on time, late reaction from NG. 

Solutions offered are more then fair - 21st in qualification is replacement, or double stars of 20th player.
Those teams will still play with handicap, not strong as they planned to be, but at least team can continue playing. 

And why so big deal about this? How would making teams play with less players be fair and ok? 
First Nation Wars even had a "bench" so 21st-23rd can jump if something unpredictable happen. This of course was possible because guilds were virtual

Whole team cannot be punished because of something they have no control of, or individual person who had no right to play. We can argue how much you want it's selfish to ask for disqualification in this case