Nation Wars 5 - December 2/2020

Since certain members of the Russian community continue to spread lies, half truths and misinformation I have decided to answer their allegations once and one time only. I will not engage in any further discussions or attacks made by said members.

My comments are made as leader of team Benelux.

First and for all: there was NO BREACH OF NW RULES. None whatsoever.

This, what can only be described as a vigilante mob, continues to refer to rule 8 of NW. Rule 8 reads: “Players that received a ban from NG during and after NW4 will not play in NW5”.

Now in an ideal world scenario the information on banned players would have been available before the start of the war and the affected nations would have been asked to bring in a substitute player for the previously banned one.

As it was, we found out during the challenge, more accurately late Thursday afternoon, that some players banned during or after NW4 were on several of the teams.

It was immediately decided that these players should be removed from the scores of these teams IN FULL APPLICATION OF RULE 8.

What there WAS AND IS NO RULE FOR is how to proceed next.

Do we let the affected teams play with 19 or do we give them a replacement as we would have done had we gotten the information prior to the war.

And if we allow a replacement which player should it be.

Now everyone may have their personal thoughts on which option they would go for but as explained above this in no way means that the rules were not followed. They were followed, contrary to the assertions of Russia.

As is often the case when the rules remain quiet one has to fill in the gaps and think of a solution.

It was quickly decided to put this matter to a vote with the above mentioned options.

One of the first nations to say that we need a vote on the matter was ……wait for it……Russia.

Moreover, the Russian leader stated at this point to the proposal to bring in a replacement player that she “fully agreed”.

Her vote however did not reflect this, changing her mind, which is of course her right.

Russia at this point however did not say “well we think it is unfair so we do not want to play anymore and will take no part in this vote”.

No, they engaged in the process of voting and cast their vote.

ONLY when the results of the vote were not what the Russians had voted for did they decide to reject what was voted upon by a majority and in stead opted to withdraw from the competition refering to their (incorrect) statement.

If you agree to a vote you also agree to accept the results of this vote even if the outcome is not what you desired.

I personally urged them to reconsider and stay on board. They chose not to do so.

And what is worse, despite the confidentiality of the matter, explicitly agreed to by the Russian leader, they breached the trust and proceeded to post their false statement on the forum thereby choosing to try and do as much harm to the competition as possible.

Since then I have seen the Russians post screenshots –again taken out of any sort of context – of conversations in chat and even via PM further breaching the confidentiality and trust that is part of the nation leaders chat.

On a personal note I would like to add that the previous NW leader for Russia who, upon his arrival, told he did not cheat on principle, was shortly thereafter banned for life making Russia’s statements look particularly cynical.

It is therefore so that Russia has neither the factual, the "legal" or the morale highground in this matter. All they have is inaccurate statements and claims.

These, ladies and gentlemen, are the cold hard facts.

Mario_Romero said:

On a personal note I would like to add that the previous NW leader for Russia who, upon his arrival, told he did not cheat on principle, was shortly thereafter banned for life making Russia’s statements look particularly cynical.

It is therefore so that Russia has neither the factual, the "legal" or the morale highground in this matter. All they have is inaccurate statements and claims.

_Lily_ said:

Zetsuboi said:

Mario_Romero said:

On a personal note I would like to add that the previous NW leader for Russia who, upon his arrival, told he did not cheat on principle, was shortly thereafter banned for life making Russia’s statements look particularly cynical.

It is therefore so that Russia has neither the factual, the "legal" or the morale highground in this matter. All they have is inaccurate statements and claims.

judge the whole nation by one person. you're a genius. By the way, cheaters were found in your team, correct me if I'm wrong.

As you are bringing forward allegations that this particular team had cheaters on their roster, I would like to think that you have something more than your words to substantiate your claims. Without that what you're saying are just empty words. Correct me if I am wrong. 

Firekid said:

Interesting to see how well Russia perform when they field a fair team and take out the cheaters 😈. 

Seriously though. As long as none of the players identified as cheaters scores are counted in the final count then I don’t see to much of a problem. If anything it would have demoralised and caused issues in those teams which would have affected their score as well. 

I think we can all agree though that Nation Wars is done and should not be run again. 

A) Team Leaders can’t control the intentions of their players, and obviously can’t do the event organizers. There are situations that explode in the face during the war. 
B ) The other 19 players are inocent victims, so the act of a dirty player, can’t affect the hope other guys. I think the replacement is the best option. 
C) The players (let me generalize) are unpredictable people. It’s a game that collect individual players more than team players. Everybody knows a guy in GW who doesn’t want to do the best for the guild. With this material, if this guys can cheat NG, can lie to their own Team Leader, how two people could manage this dirty bunch of fellow scammers. 
D) Finally, hundred of players cheat and other thousand blame. But nobody wants to help the organizers. The idea is good, and I’m happy with this event. We don’t need more judges, need more transparency. 

marroba2000 dijo:

CABRONAZO_ARG dijo:

E) La seguiran chupando 🤷‍♂️