Power Strike

Arqueue
Arqueue Member Posts: 250
Dear NG, my survivalist Rick, my prowling Daryl, my warrior Beta and my pizza Glenn are no longer damage dealers. they are kinda weak now. is it because of this:

"Fixed unintended issue where the Power Strike trait increased Critical chance at all times, instead of only when a survivor hasn’t moved."


i dont know about others, but i spent most of my hard earned rerolls on getting good traits like power strike. although i know, it was originally a bug, but we have been used to it since its inception to the game so long ago! and now suddenly, you guys decided 'hey we have some free time, let's fix a very old bug and displease the players' by nerfing it back to its actual state.

you cannot just do that after so many years already. you should have fixed the damn bug immediately but no...you let it dragged on for years! aint our fault. and i got used to its goodness. some players paid money for rerolls tokens just to get good traits like power strike. and now its not so good as before

can you guys please roll it back to before the update and rephrase the trait description instead?

can you guys fix the GW so that it is out of beta instead of this and that other thing?

thank you!


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  • iosononegan
    iosononegan Member Posts: 52 ✭✭✭
    NG played a really bad joke on all the players. A really bad idea, after all this time and a lot of resources.
  • m4s
    m4s Member Posts: 682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What are these problems?
    Ng fixes bugs - that's what we wanted
    and that after a few years?

    ie the current problems will be fixed in a few years?
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  • Winston457
    Winston457 Member Posts: 129 ✭✭✭
    How long was Power Strike "broken?"  Was it always like that?

    If it had been "bugged" for a month or two, I would be more than understanding of them fixing it.  However, if it's been a year, or years, then it does seem like a BS thing to do with no warning. Especially with no warning and so many people having no idea that it was "broken."

    I've been playing this game for years, using the forums to learn as many tricks of the trade as possible.  The only reason I knew to go melee (prior to SPY) was because of this forum.  I had no idea that PS was not working as intended, and I don't remember anyone here, or from NG, saying that it was working incorrectly.

    For me, if they had come out early and said "Hey, this isn't working right.  We are going to fix it at some point, but it might be a while." then I'm good.  People would have been warned and if they chose to spend time/money to beef up melee, then they made their own choice.

    I find it annoying, but it hasn't really bothered me.  I'm still getting to where I usually do in Challenge, completing the same GW levels, and getting the same LS points.  I've adjusted, as I'm sure many of you have.  Would a warning have been nice? Would a mention that it was broken as soon as they knew have been the right thing to do?  Yes and yes.  I'm assuming they didn't as I never saw anything in-game or on the forums.  If I missed that info, then my bad.
  • Spammage
    Spammage Member Posts: 13
    NG, why do you hate melee teams??
  • RiotZappa
    RiotZappa Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭✭
    Seems all they want people to do is SPY..Spend gold...SPY...Spend gold.

    SPY is so ridiculously boring I only use it on KAW.
  • tus
    tus Member Posts: 43
    I'd be up for NG to revert the Power Strike to what it was & how it performed.

    I believe it was underhand, how it could be tagged as an bug on their 'to do list' & implemented without any forewarning.

    Oh, wait, this is NG ... 
  • veadaba
    veadaba Member Posts: 26

    Marksman and strong were improved without any request. I think PowerStrike also can improve as it was before update instead of nerfing. Just changing description of trait as @FuriousMoldovan mentioned. 

    Using melee team was much more fun, but now it’s pain to play with melee team. I was thinking to buy more reroll tokens, but I stopped to buy them. No longer I don’t reroll melee survivors trait nor badges. we have SPY and why we invest more mony for nerfed melee. Dear @Lexia @Fluxxx,  please give us some comment about this theme. 

    By the way, we also should think good idea how NG can have income constantly. We are claiming everytime and it takes away enegy of developer.

  • zeeblack
    zeeblack Member Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the Power Strike Nerf, now my melee survivors are even afraid of Level 15 walkers. 

    I switched from ranged to melee as it was more fun. Now, I am really confused what to do. While sureshot is understandable as ranged survivors can shoot from a distance with all weapons. On the other hand, melee have to move for making a kill on most melee weapons barring the few.

    I am now really thinking of replacing the powerstrike with some other trait on all my warriors and scouts. I spent so many tokens on getting powerstrike for my melee survivors. Damn NG, you never understand.

    Zee Black - SG Woots - Playing since 2015.


  • FuriousMoldovan
    FuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Lexia @Fluxxx so many questions, can we get at least any answer on this topic?
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  • m4s
    m4s Member Posts: 682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    @Lexia @Fluxxx so many questions, can we get at least any answer on this topic?

    No!
    P.S. ironic of course
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  • capibara
    capibara Member Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    uhm… “be careful what you wish for” is the only left to say imo… and also the next time there will be “a good bug” ..we should stop calling it “a bug”… otherwise when they will fix bugs… 

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  • m4s
    m4s Member Posts: 682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Channel on Line?
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  • FuriousMoldovan
    FuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Lexia @Fluxxx
    The only change PS needed - is change of in-game text description because it worked that way since its inception.

    Argument Power Strike vs Sure Shot makes sense when PS worked regardless of movement because melee have to move to attack, while ranged can stay within safe distance and attack without moving.

    Please roll back PS to the way it was and change in-game text description.
    @capibara ↑ I think I wish for the right thing :)
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  • veadaba
    veadaba Member Posts: 26

    I hope PowerStrike returns as it was.

    The fun of this game is melee’s high strategic property. Using boring SPY team, we don’t feel much fun (Now I use Huntsman Daryl only for scavenge mission).

    Once players know the fun of using Huntsman Daryl and Beta, they notice how fun playing with melee team. And they start to spend money buying special weapons, reroll tokens and radios. If players don't know Daryl's prowling attack and Beta how effective they are, a long-range team with Bruiser or SPY team are the mainstream. 

    So let’s create a official Wiki in global language. JayZ’s strategy is perfect, but most of players don't know existence. If we explain the strategies on the Wiki, more players will use Melee team and they will like more this game. Then I’m sure more players spend money. 

  • cyberoptics
    cyberoptics Member Posts: 15
    I'm glad I read this as a player who left a couple years ago and has recently returned I went to the forums first for builds and started sending to build a melee team.. now I understand why they were so popular after I returned and I guess I'll stop. Yes I probably spent $500 in the past month trying to catch up. When I left it was range and apparently it still is so back to building spy.
  • FuriousMoldovan
    FuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm glad I read this as a player who left a couple years ago and has recently returned I went to the forums first for builds and started sending to build a melee team.. now I understand why they were so popular after I returned and I guess I'll stop. Yes I probably spent $500 in the past month trying to catch up. When I left it was range and apparently it still is so back to building spy.
    Ranged used to be the best before badges and rebuff of melee classes. Then scouts/bruisers became the choice.
    Now scales are tipping back to range, so building SPY team seem to be the safest bet for now.
    Good luck!
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  • zeeblack
    zeeblack Member Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @FuriousMoldovan, looks like days of SPY are also numbered. NG would surely have them nerfed in any of the coming updates. This is how NG works.

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  • zeeblack
    zeeblack Member Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @capibara

    Where to join your revolution

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  • Arqueue
    Arqueue Member Posts: 250
    edited August 2021
    @Lexia

    its nice to see the amount of effort put into some light-hearted Dog jokes from you, but can you please at least answer what is NG's stand on PS from now going forward. surely, you have read the players' comments in the forum on PS. here, to lessen your burden to type a long-winded answer, just choose A, B or C from the following:

    A. NG will not revert PS to previous state at all

    B. NG will revert PS to its previous state in the future

    C. NG is still reviewing the case, but will give an answer in the coming months


    just let us know what's NG's stand on this. how difficult can this be? thank you.

    @Fluxxx 
  • Lexia
    Lexia Member Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey,

    We are currently not looking into reverting Powerstrike, but will look into ways that we could rework or improve certain classes (eg. melee) or heroes. One example of this is Mercer (and his LT) that gives melee survivors a chance to inflict a higher extra damage compared to other survivors :smile:

    Man-At-Arms
    Mercer has an X% chance to do Y% of the enemy’s current HP as extra damage (Z% for melee survivors). Additionally, Mercer has a W% chance to resist any status effect.
  • ultimateevil13
    ultimateevil13 Member Posts: 36
    Great News.
    Good Bye and F.O. to NG.
    Spy sucks.
    Melee Powerless, no Reason to play After 5 Years.
    Think NG will lost more Pay to Win Players.
  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You could always put a critical chance badge on your hero’s if it bothers you that much. I’m sure NG were always scratching their head why it was seen as such a bad badge. Little did they know that everyone had 50-60% CC without any 😂. 
    I think this change came at a really bad time though, just when boring SPY became so dominant seems to have doubled down on the uselessness of melee. 
  • zeeblack
    zeeblack Member Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    @Lexia

    I think this is the weakest response NG could come up with regard to Power Strike nerf. Yesterday, Melee were the Kings, today its SPY day at the throne and Tomorrow its Mercer's turn. 

    Lets compare Power Strike with Sure Shot
    1. In order to activate both, you should not move. However, there is additional damage in case of Power Strike. NG would argue that melee can cause additional damage whereas ranged can't. The response to their argument is given below.
    2. Range of Melee Vs. Ranged Weapons: The chances of Sure Shot to work are far greater than that of Power Strike because of range of weapons of ranged survivors vis-à-vis melee survivors. 
    3. Limited number of extra range melee weapons. We have 3 scout (fork, spear and musket) and 1 warrior weapon which have a limited range of just 2 squares/ 3 squares diagonally. Further, the spear has low damage as compared to other weapons. When this issue was taken up, NG came with the argument that it would make the melee more powerful.  
    4. %age restriction on Power Strike: There is a %age restriction for both Sure Shot and Power Strike to work. However, keeping in view the range of melee and ranged weapons and limited number of extra ranged melee weapons puts the melee survivors at a further disadvantage.  
    Keeping in view the above, I have come up with a solution for fixing this problem which was created by NG itself. 

    Power Strike

    Attacks made on your turn gain xx% final damage and have xx% better critical chance if you have not moved used one move point. Total critical chance cant exceed 90%. 

    This would not only solve the problem and would make the melee great again without any unfair advantage.

    @ATLAS-Z @capibara @JayZ need your help in sorting out this issue

    Zee Black - SG Woots - Playing since 2015.


  • Arqueue
    Arqueue Member Posts: 250
    edited August 2021
    @Lexia

    Thanks for the prompt reply! appreciate it. at least we now know what's the future of PS going forward... expected it. although not loving the decision but what can we do. my poor scouts and warriors, being relegated...thats life 
  • PP1990
    PP1990 Member Posts: 87
    edited August 2021
    Mercer himself is not a melee so his attack is low. We wouldn’t normally team an assault with melee… if power strike is unchanged then at least make the attack power of melee higher or make razor 100% effective not to cause body shots. 
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