A new feature of Perseverance.

mir
mir Member Posts: 228
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Explain the new feature of Perseverance works:

With punish ?  

With retаliate ? 

Thanks. @Lexia @Fluxxx @zbot

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  • m4s
    m4s Member Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Read The copy!
    Read The update notes!

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  • m4s
    m4s Member Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perseverance works on prowl
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  • Busta
    Busta Member Posts: 108
    m4s said:
    Perseverance works on prowl
    Well that is because prowling is on your turn.... :wink: unlike punish or retaliation as those happen after your turn ends.. same with being in overwatch.
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2021
    I don't know how exactly it was planed to work, but it works both with punish and with retaliate. And even with beat them up with TDog in lead... Tested it today 🤷‍♀️

    @Lexia @Fluxxx was it intended so? 
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  • WellyLuga
    WellyLuga Member Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, T-Dog's LT also another instance where it doesn't work. Alongside retaliate punish and overwatch as mentioned previously.
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    WellyLuga said:
    Yeah, T-Dog's LT also another instance where it doesn't work. Alongside retaliate punish and overwatch as mentioned previously.
    It is not true. I have vid where it in fact WORKS with TDogs LT just fine. 
    ghost_pepper
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    @m4s @WellyLuga @Busta
    Works with beat them up perfectly fine to me ☺
    https://youtu.be/Tcz6kYc0x44
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  • ShadowWalker
    ShadowWalker Member Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xeniia said:
    WellyLuga said:
    Yeah, T-Dog's LT also another instance where it doesn't work. Alongside retaliate punish and overwatch as mentioned previously.
    It is not true. I have vid where it in fact WORKS with TDogs LT just fine. 
    Well if that's the case then SHHHHHHHH!!
    WellyLugamirFuriousMoldovan
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  • WDW76
    WDW76 Member Posts: 69 ✭✭✭
    xeniia said: @m4s @WellyLuga @Busta
    Works with beat them up perfectly fine to me ☺
    https://youtu.be/Tcz6kYc0x44
    What should we see in this Video? 
    T-Dog get's a Charge Point for his Kill!
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    ShadowWalker said:
    xeniia said:
    WellyLuga said:
    Yeah, T-Dog's LT also another instance where it doesn't work. Alongside retaliate punish and overwatch as mentioned previously.
    It is not true. I have vid where it in fact WORKS with TDogs LT just fine. 
    Well if that's the case then SHHHHHHHH!!
    Hm, I do not want another story like that one with Power Strike and "fixing" it after the years. Meaning, I would like to know how was it intended to work and whether it would be changed due to a discrepancy between the description and the reality or not. 
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2021
    WDW76 said:
    xeniia said:
    @m4s @WellyLuga @Busta
    Works with beat them up perfectly fine to me ☺
    https://youtu.be/Tcz6kYc0x44
    What should we see in this Video? 
    T-Dog get's a Charge Point for his Kill! It is not about T-Dog, it is about that scout that is with him.

    Upd: and that scout gets at least two charge points for not killing an enemy after beat them up is activated. 
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  • WellyLuga
    WellyLuga Member Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xeniia said:
    WellyLuga said:
    Yeah, T-Dog's LT also another instance where it doesn't work. Alongside retaliate punish and overwatch as mentioned previously.
    It is not true. I have vid where it in fact WORKS with TDogs LT just fine. 
    Well what I said is supposed to be true. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I expected there to be some bugs with the new trait given recent events :lol:
    mir
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  • xeniia
    xeniia Member Posts: 67
    @WellyLuga I agree, with NG you never know for sure 🙃 So, the question now is whether the description or the way the trait functions is wrong... 
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  • Busta
    Busta Member Posts: 108
    please leave it the way its currently working lol... melee need the help

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  • ShadowWalker
    ShadowWalker Member Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So in the description for Punish it says it happens at the end of the enemy's turn. However, the ending of the enemy's turn is the beginning of our turn. They happen simultaneously. Perseverance creates it's owns dimension in which all of time branches out from.

    The beginning is the end and the end is the beginning.
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  • ATLAS-Z
    ATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey that's the way I intended it to work.

    Maybe they put the text that way so that if it turns out to be OP as it is currently, then they are well within their rights to "fix the bug" and match it to the text?

    Like a little hidden beta test?

    Let's hope so!

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  • ghost_pepper
    ghost_pepper Member Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually want to use it now if it actually works the way I want it to work.
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  • mir
    mir Member Posts: 228
    Yes, I want to get a clarification. Because we are already ready to buy rifts to make the heroes stronger. But I don't want to hear that this is a mistake and retribution or punishment won't work, wait we'll fix it) . Do you have an answer ready ? @Lexia
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  • brucewayne007
    brucewayne007 Member Posts: 651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2021
    They need not to touch a thing. 

    Even with this trait working great it’s still pushing shit up hill fighting against SPY. 
    After the Powerstrike “fix” after 10,000 years of game time. They surely not kick Melee in the Johnson no more 
    Onwards and upwards please!

    Edit: if they try to say it’s too OP I will dead set laugh my arse off outta this game. Have they not seen Yumi and Princess at work. 
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  • WellyLuga
    WellyLuga Member Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would rather they just keep it as it was proposed instead of the watered down version that was intended. Hopefully they just change the description and allow it to work with punish, beat em up, retaliate and overwatch. It's not like it's OP, it just gets melee that little bit closer to range but they are still miles off.

    It also makes T-Dog a pretty viable hero.
    xeniiamirElsbeth
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  • Wortip
    Wortip Member Posts: 44

    Sadly, most likely NOT working as intended… 
    from testing, Beta managed to get two charge points from killing a single Walker. I.e. one point from kill and one from perseverance (even though it was a kill). 
    I’m probably not going to be very popular highlighting this, but it’s better to resolve this now than for it to be fixed two years later 🤷🏻‍♂️ #powerstrike
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  • mir
    mir Member Posts: 228
    Yes, that's what we're talking about!  To put a new skill, some need to spend money. I don't want to splash saliva 😶later when we find out that this is all a mistake 🧐
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  • Wortip
    Wortip Member Posts: 44
    Lexia said:
    Hello all!

    To clarify some bits:
    1. The in-game text descriptions for Punish & T-Dogs LT are a bit questionable, but they are both coded to happen at the beginning of your turn - in other words, Perseverance basically works as intended and we are not looking into changing that
    2. For Retaliate, it should not activate Perseverance. Was someone able to reproduce that and has some video to share? We'll look into it, but not meant to happen
    3. We'll look into the Beta case, thank you for sharing 🙂
    @Lexia just to add to point 3. I don’t think it’s specific to Beta. 
    I managed to get two charge points for Glenn from a Punish attack. Similar situation of killing the Walker. 
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  • Lexia
    Lexia Member Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you for the additional info @Wortip

    I wonder if it has something to do with weapons with the push-mechanic 🤔
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  • mir
    mir Member Posts: 228
    Thanks @Lexia . Now we know what we need to do with the new skill. But if you have something to change, let us know, we will be happy to help you ;)  have a nice day! 
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  • WellyLuga
    WellyLuga Member Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2021
    Awesome news! Thanks for clarifying. My decision to roll retaliate for it is even more vindicated since they don't work in tandem. 
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  • Busta
    Busta Member Posts: 108
    Wortip said:
    Lexia said:
    Hello all!

    To clarify some bits:
    1. The in-game text descriptions for Punish & T-Dogs LT are a bit questionable, but they are both coded to happen at the beginning of your turn - in other words, Perseverance basically works as intended and we are not looking into changing that
    2. For Retaliate, it should not activate Perseverance. Was someone able to reproduce that and has some video to share? We'll look into it, but not meant to happen
    3. We'll look into the Beta case, thank you for sharing 🙂
    @Lexia just to add to point 3. I don’t think it’s specific to Beta. 
    I managed to get two charge points for Glenn from a Punish attack. Similar situation of killing the Walker. 
    Nothing wrong here, watch the video, the perseverance kicks in on the first hit giving a charge point and then the second for the punish kill... watch the video @Lexia

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  • Firekid
    Firekid Member Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2021
    I only see 1 hit which is punish kill.
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  • Wortip
    Wortip Member Posts: 44
    Busta said:
    Wortip said:
    Lexia said:
    Hello all!

    To clarify some bits:
    1. The in-game text descriptions for Punish & T-Dogs LT are a bit questionable, but they are both coded to happen at the beginning of your turn - in other words, Perseverance basically works as intended and we are not looking into changing that
    2. For Retaliate, it should not activate Perseverance. Was someone able to reproduce that and has some video to share? We'll look into it, but not meant to happen
    3. We'll look into the Beta case, thank you for sharing 🙂
    @Lexia just to add to point 3. I don’t think it’s specific to Beta. 
    I managed to get two charge points for Glenn from a Punish attack. Similar situation of killing the Walker. 
    Nothing wrong here, watch the video, the perseverance kicks in on the first hit giving a charge point and then the second for the punish kill... watch the video @Lexia

    You can see the Walker was killed by the punish attack. Glenn got a charge points for the kill and also gained a point from perseverance. 
    However, you should only get the charge point from perseverance if “your attack fails to kill any of its targets” as per the wording on the trait. 
    Hope this helps clarify. 

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