The absurdity of the rewards for the challenge

ViniCasonatto_01 · December 2021

The star hero idea should serve to motivate the community to play differently, increase your score, have new challenges.
As for that, I have no complaints or problems of any kind. The problem is that the prizes were swapped... The least we expected was an increase in prizes and not a reallocation of prizes to higher scores, this is a slap in the face for players. Anyone with the slightest idea about the game knows that it will be very difficult to complete the challenge perfectly. This behavior and strategy on the part of the developers is, at the very least, a lack of respect for everyone who plays assiduously and permanently.

Lexia · December 2021

Hi @ViniCasonatto_01

The Challenge rewards have been rebalanced based on the fact that there are more stars achievable in total. This means that there are also more guild stars achievable, thus more rewards that may be obtained. However, we do understand that it may be much more difficult to get the max stars in the final rounds compared to before, so we will definitely monitor the effect of this change on players’ performance, as well as rewards.

As always, whenever something new or changes are introduced, we aim to monitor the impact it has and may do additional changes later accordingly.

Thank you for sharing some of your thoughts and feedback with us 🙂

rearrow1 · December 2021

i would like to see those who decided these rewards achieve them with all heroes.

it is doable with sasha or princess as leader. but most heroes cannot do it purely because they are not powerful enough to finish the late maps with spawns every turn, tanks and spikies.

i can not believe that the team do not know that it is impossible to finish the high lvls with most leaders unless you got lots of tools and gold, which you make harder to get.

with 37 heroes in game and being able to getto 4500 myself, i now have 2 weeks in 37 i got a chance of getting the rewards i previously could get every week.

unless you use lots of tools, which old players may have, but newer ones do not. in that case it just made the challenge p2w. and made it harder for newer players to grow.
you offer a special call for those who do not have the star hero. but at the same time you make the rewards worse for them.

ilove star heroes, encouraging new strategies, teams etc.
but with tools being replaced by challenge crates, legendary components becomming unreachable most weeks, as are fortification, and reroll tokens.
and its the new players who still need to reroll trades, create badges, level up weapons. not the top players who can reach the real high scores.

rewards for player development should be reachable independent of the star hero. keep the old rewards but add rewards on to usefull for the real top.
radios, supports, newest hero tokens.

ATLAS-Z · December 2021

In the beginning when it was Unlimited it was all about pay to win if you wanted to get the top score.

And there were no rewards up there. Plenty of players did it anyway

It seems we've become quite spoiled in the last year or so.

ViniCasonatto_01 · December 2021

@ATLAS-ZI've been doing the perfect challenge for about 5 months, without failing a single... I don't think I'll get anything in return for that makes me "spoiled". What happens is simple, it's impossible even with tools to complete the challenge perfectly, except with two or three leader heroes. Simple as that, they could put 500 final prize radios that still wouldn't matter. I thought the idea of the star hero was very good, what I didn't like and don't agree with were the rewards. If you want to make it difficult for them to value more than reaching the end, why not put more prizes since the expense will be much higher? But anyway, let's wait.

ATLAS-Z · December 2021

@ViniCasonatto_01 you're assuming that they ever wanted or expected or anticipated that anyone would ever finish the challenge let alone hundreds of people every week. You're also assuming the now that this is the case they would love it to continue. I'm not a betting man but if I were this isn't the wager I would make. Just saying

ViniCasonatto_01 · December 2021

@ATLAS-Zmy friend, let's go by parts... maybe my translator isn't helping me or you have some cognitive problem. I didn't assume anything, you interpreted it or understood it that way, which is quite different. And I'll repeat it for the third time, the star hero was excellent, for me they would give a fifth star to those who don't even use tools. I want the game to be harder. The post, the complaint was about rewards only and exclusively. Only that. As I've already said, as the difficulty rose, give better prizes to those who continue to outdo themselves.

ATLAS-Z · December 2021

ViniCasonatto_01 said:

@ATLAS-Zmy friend, let's go by parts... maybe my translator isn't helping me or you have some cognitive problem. I didn't assume anything, you interpreted it or understood it that way, which is quite different. And I'll repeat it for the third time, the star hero was excellent, for me they would give a fifth star to those who don't even use tools. I want the game to be harder. The post, the complaint was about rewards only and exclusively. Only that. As I've already said, as the difficulty rose, give better prizes to those who continue to outdo themselves.

Trust me I have no cognitive problems.

Rather you, who seems to think you should endlessly earn "better rewards".

The game is already at its apex and you want "better rewards"

You say you want the game harder but continually giving "better rewards" makes it EASIER, especially over time.

Step back and think. Use your cognitive powers and think big picture, not only thinking of yourself, at this moment, and your tiny little picture.

ghost_pepper · December 2021

Lexia said:

Hi @ViniCasonatto_01

The Challenge rewards have been rebalanced based on the fact that there are more stars achievable in total. This means that there are also more guild stars achievable, thus more rewards that may be obtained. However, we do understand that it may be much more difficult to get the max stars in the final rounds compared to before, so we will definitely monitor the effect of this change on players’ performance, as well as rewards.

As always, whenever something new or changes are introduced, we aim to monitor the impact it has and may do additional changes later accordingly.

Thank you for sharing some of your thoughts and feedback with us 🙂

In the politest voice possible..

You are wrong.

How many guilds will actually have more stars, or significantly more stars, than from their performance last week?

All you have done is remove rewards from the reach of players who have managed to spy and smy their way up into the 4k's. It's like candy was dangled in front of us for a year, some of us finally got to taste it, and now it's gone again.

So there is frustration over that. Here's the second source of frustration. The reasoning you give shows no awareness of the frustration I've just explained. This leads players to believe there is a disconnect between NG thinking and the reality we experience, which becomes the second source of frustration.

For every one player finishing 4878 each week, there must have been 5 or 10 or more who were scoring thousands of points above their pre-spy-era challenge averages. I'm not a 4878 player and I can promise you I'm not going to break 5k stars, ever. I doubt few of us non-4878'ers ever will. The raw number of players who have been screwed over with these newly unbalanced challenge rewards greatly overwhelms the tiny number of 4878 whiners, who now do have something legitimate to compete over. And the meaninglessness of the score board that so many of us will never appear on is being catered to with rewards we will never see.

Killdozer187_ · December 2021

I want compensation for this star hero not working correctly!

Paste · December 2021

This thread is definitely not going to be moderated or closed...

Firekid · December 2021

I’ve to agree that the balancing hasn’t worked in this instance. Looking it more at a point of what you need when your reaching certain milestones to help you push on to the next level. Chances are if you were getting 4878 before you don’t really need much in way of resources other than phones. However if you were hitting 4000 then you probably need the badge components and don’t need the deluxe challenge crates. As such please reconsider removing the deluxe challenge crates at 4050 onwards with the legendary components, and where the components are now replace each with 15 phones. This will give people who aren’t able to compete at the top a chance to catch up with better badges.

FuriousMoldovan · December 2021

Literally the easiest and less controversial solution would've been to leave challenge rewards as-is for pre-4875 stars and add new to 4875-5358 stars

Please reconsider @Lexia @Fluxxx
PS: @ghost_pepper is right about the second frustration point very much, some food for thought. Hopefully.

ATLAS-Z · December 2021

I do agree that is just a little bit shady not communicating this change in the notes.

But I'm assuming they knew what that feedback would be a pressed on anyway.

I may get why the change, but should have been communicated. Letting players find out only after they clear 4k is... Unsavory.

ghost_pepper · December 2021

When were gold components introduced to challenge rewards? Back when players who broke 2k stars were really strong scorers and anyone breaking 3k was working weekly magic. Now that this highest level performance has increased considerably, here is the funny dynamic we find ourselves in...

The highest scoring players no longer want/need gold components. They're full up. Why give them rewards they don't want/need?

High scoring players new to higher performance DO need gold components. These are now out of our reach with this star drama used to appease the unquenchable thirst of competitive players.

Bigger scoring players are still locked out away from the goodies. Nothing new here.

Fix.
We need blue components available in the 2k-3k range. This also reflects the hard distance rewards. We need gold components available in the 3k-4k range. If not all 4, then do 3 and exclude cloth. That is the appropriate incentive and spring board to cause players currently in 1k-2k range to grow.

rearrow1 · December 2021

i broke 4k last challenge for the first time. so happy with those legendary components. i finaly could start replacing a blue badge. immediately bought full fuel/xp for a week so i could do it again next challenge, even if i would take 1000 tries.
i feel cheated.
in the notes and videos I was promised getting a 4th star when i used the star hero as leader. instead you have to finish with a perfect score.
nowhere was there any talk of rewards being changed. the impression was given you could use star heroes to get higher. but if you did not use them things were the same.
Now it is a huge debuff for all, with only useful rewards for the top players.
To me this is false advertising, and it makes the last months purchases I made a waste of money.

I can only hope that it was an oversight because there are so many changes in this update.

As the poster above me suggested, give the rewards were they are needed.

challenge boxes in the lower levels, blue components in the 2k-4k, legendary components at 4k. radios spread out with higher amounts later on.
at the 4.5k+ include new hero tokens and maybe support tokens. atm maxing a support requiers more time than a player is likely to live lol

rearrow1 · December 2021

another problem i noticed is healing time for the star hero. you are encouraged, required if you want similar rewards as before, to use the star hero as leader. which means that you try to use him on maps where you need be very lucky to succeed. but if he gets hit and grappled you need to wait 2.5hours before trying again. you can not try out an alternative team like before because you will miss out on the extra star, which is needed to get similar rewards as before the update.

which means you need to use gold to heal and that makes challenges p2w or even p2p.

just testing the update and a few strategies resulted in me spending over 400 gold because of a mistakes, unlucky walker placement and slipping finger.

instead of a game i play 12+hours a day it has become a game to play 5 minutes and wait 2.5 hours.

my suggestion:reduce hospital time for star hero to max 30minutes or make it a range of heroes like (i believe) in expert Last Stand.

ZXer · December 2021

@Lexia @Fluxxx

I am new here but maybe my viewpoint is also important.

I play this game for about 6 months now, scoring 4.7k on challenges on the last one. Didn't think I'd play this game for so long, leave alone paying for weapons, but I did pay for lucky Decimator and Morning Star. I didn't think I'd pay for gold, but heck, I just did too last week. It's a good game, with nice progression system. And I like the star hero challenge concept.

I have the agree, however, that the reward shifting is a bit arbitrary and absurd. Not to mention the current GW rewards = call it what it is = a pile of S.

First on the Challenge: every good reward (from reroll at 4k to gold frags) got shifted 400 stars. Just do quick math here = 400 = 6 x 67. Meaning you got to play way pass nightmare rounds with star hero lead to maintain the same reward as before. You think I can do this with Beta with no pink and rudimentary badges? Show me it's doable.

Every time I watch the videos on how people getting to perfect score. Oh, sure, they got 4 pinks here, 5 pinks there, perfect trait, perfect badges. As somebody playing only for 6 months, I am far from that. But I also felt that with my performance, oh, I get gold frag here, reroll there, a nice weapon here, and a lucky armor there ... I'm getting there. I do not have the ambition to get that 100 radios and perfect stars, but, it's nice to have some progression. That's why I kept playing, that's why I bought gold last week.

Now you take that away from me. Gold frags are so out of reach that it does not matter if I keep playing this game or not.

You tell me. Why should I keep playing?

At the very best I'd do what I can with what I have, and I won't be buying gold and gas anymore. Probably good for my pocket, not so good for yours.

More likely I'm just gonna stop playing the game altogether, which will most certainly be the case if the next GW does not have good rewards.

I don't know your exact revenue model is, maybe the end gamers are the ones filling the bulk of your coffers. If that's the case, so be it. You don't need me anyway. But if you are counting on the many of us filling your coffers with $10 every 2-3 weeks, then note this.

I began to lose interest in this game the moment I found out about the current GW shop offering. I definitely lost interest in this game now that you make Challenge Rewards so out of reach for me.

Yikes · December 2021

The new Challenge reward structure is certainly demotivating for those who recently came close to completing the challenge (or thought that it was possible) and saw the finish line as a source for tools and gold badge components. Either rebalance the reward structure or make trade goods more useful to help with progression (or both). There are plenty of suggestions on improving the currency of trade goods.

veadaba · December 2021

The star hero should not be a penalty, it should be a bonus like charged hero. Now NG takes fun away from us. They force us to use weaker heroes to get the same rewards.

It is silly that we can’t use heroes that we spend a lot of resources. We reinforce certain heroes to make ideal team and it’s fun to feel development of team using in missions. But now, due to some overpowered heroes, we can’t use the strongest team to achieve the same goal.

I anticipated that NG will try to rebalance by putting only restrictions and it becomes stressful for players.

But we still have a solution. Please return the same rewords as before and add better rewords to complete with star heroes.

Then little by little other heroes can be improved to use as your star hero.

mir · December 2021

Who taught you to give at the beginning , then take it away and then see what the reaction will be ??? Do you think this is normal ??? There are a lot of ways to do the right thing, logically, and you can even use mathematics in calculations. Immediately return the rewards to 4878, and then show the rewards that you offered to the players after we scored 4878!!! There is no need for this case to be quiet where more than two people are involved!! Thank you, we are waiting!! @Lexia

FuriousMoldovan · December 2021

FuriousMoldovan said:

Literally the easiest and less controversial solution would've been to leave challenge rewards as-is for pre-4875 stars and add new to 4875-5358 stars

Please reconsider @Lexia @Fluxxx
PS: @ghost_pepper is right about the second frustration point very much, some food for thought. Hopefully.

↑ Adding to my post @Lexia as a reminder:
Old - rewards before update.
New - rewards after update for the same amount of stars.

WellyLuga · December 2021

Already 15 players with a max score, did not see this coming

. I think the main reason for this is many of the maps suit the star hero and there's not really many maps that rely on kills so Princess/Yumiko/Flare can do most of the work on their own.

I really hope it's not like this every week.

UserDoe · December 2021

New players that don't have all heroes leveled will lose ☆ due to the "Star Hero"

Rik · December 2021

@Lexia please reconsider the new rewards structure. Best would be to leave old rewards as they were and add new ones on top. That way no one will feel forced to use a star hero and people can play as before and be rewarded as before. But if they want to put in more effort and use star hero for bonus stars, they will be rewarded with new(bonus) rewards

ViniCasonatto_01 · December 2021

@ ATLAS-Z Já se passaram algumas horas desde que completei este desafio, também perfeitamente. Então achei que deveria vir aqui e reafirmar o que escrevi antes, fiz 5358 e recebi as mesmas recompensas ... E todos os outros jogadores que não vão conseguir? Como mencionei antes, há meses eu estava fazendo 4878 e todos aqueles que só conseguiam fazer isso às vezes? É frustrante ... Ainda mais se levarmos em conta que muito provavelmente só Beta, Princesa e Sasha serão líderes que nos darão uma vantagem (talvez SRick) ... Mas outros dez serão inúteis. Ainda não acho que seja justo, embora tenha conseguido. E sinto muito se te ofendi antes.

ATLAS-Z · December 2021

ViniCasonatto_01 said:

@ ATLAS-Z Já se passaram algumas horas desde que completei este desafio, também perfeitamente. Então achei que deveria vir aqui e reafirmar o que escrevi antes, fiz 5358 e recebi as mesmas recompensas ... E todos os outros jogadores que não vão conseguir? Como mencionei antes, há meses eu estava fazendo 4878 e todos aqueles que só conseguiam fazer isso às vezes? É frustrante ... Ainda mais se levarmos em conta que muito provavelmente só Beta, Princesa e Sasha serão líderes que nos darão uma vantagem (talvez SRick) ... Mas outros dez serão inúteis. Ainda não acho que seja justo, embora tenha conseguido. E sinto muito se te ofendi antes.

It's ok man. I understand the frustration.

brucewayne007 · December 2021

The game is trying to open up a leader board and make it worthwhile. No matter what they do

people will complain!!!

who Gives a flying F!

whinge whinge whinge

Killdozer187_ · December 2021

Honestly, I love the changes with this star hero business. It means I have an excuse to stop playing the challenge sooner every week!

Brilliant execution on NG's part 😆

ghost_pepper · December 2021

This is a massive rewards desert. I'm just going to point that out. It's time to remove these awful purples boxes from the game.

I see Rick and Daryl and a paltry 3 reroll tokens for 650 stars. That's bad. Really bad.

I expect I'll stop before this. I'd rather sit around my house and be bored than slog through that.

The absurdity of the rewards for the challenge

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